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On 9/9/97 5:18 PM CHKBOONE@ao*.co* wrote: > > >Jim, You said : > >>Well, Thank Goodness someone finally got hurt! I mean if this dope hadn't >>flamed himself, your arguments would not have a leg to stand on! > > Are you saying that suddenly, just because I came up with an example, >that I now have a leg to stand on ? What do you think prompted the >adoption of these safety procedures, and do you think they did not come >along till scuba diving was invented ? > Sarcasm, Chuck, sarcasm. In actuality you still have no leg to stand on in this issue. >>I would really like to know the details of this, because as you describe it, > >>there should be dive shop tank-filler flunkies bursting into flames all >>up and down the east coast. > >Not if they take the proper safety precautions, which most apparently do. BAAAAAHAHAHAHA OOOOOHAHAHOHOHOHEHE, You're killing me! >>Keep in mind that I understand that most rules are designed to protect >>the 1% of idiots from themselves and to torture 99% who, to varying >>degrees, know what they are doing. This is further proof that the 1% of >>idiots are beyond help, so why have the rules, anyway? > > To protect YOU from that 1% of idiots ! >What if you had been walking by the fill station when this happened - or >perhaps your wife with your son in her arms ? If they had been injured >would you sue the shop for their medical bills and pain and suffereing in >spite of your own attitude towards O2 cleaning ? Oh, pulllleeeeasse. I should have know that "What about the Children" argument would pop up sooner or later. >>It is also interesting that this happened in the super-paranoid Fla >>Keys, where it is forbidden by law to use the words "solo" and "diving" >>in the same sentence. Where you can't . . . . . > > Yes! Most of the Keys operations are a pain for the tech diver to deal >with, especially if you approach them with an attitude, but there are a few >good ones who try to cooperate and help you get what you want where >they can. Keep in mind that there is not a shop on this planet that >"owes" you or me anything in the line of services ! Yes they do if they want my money. And I don't think there is a dive shop anywhere which is in the position to turn down cash. And if enough divers vote with their feet.... Let me guess, you are going to propose federal subsidies for dive shops who's business is hurt by following mindless, ridiculous rules. You fucking liberals crack me up. > What is more interresting is that if a friend had not informed me of this >incident chances are there would have been no more than maybe 6 divers >on the planet who knew about it. I'll bet 5 bucks that the shop personnel >have standing orders not to talk about this to anyone under threat of firing >and I doubt that the owner ran down to the local newspaper to report it. > No one is going to make it easy for you to find out about near misses >and accidents. Statistics and government reports are a woefully inadequate >source of information on the frequency of such things, which is why some of >DAN's statistical research is of limited value. > How many of DAN's reported deaths would you have known about if they >did not make access to the information easy by publication in dive magazines? > >Who knows how many home brewers or shops have had accidents with >oxygen - would you tell us if you had ? No body even knows how many >certified divers there are or how many of them actually still dive and >statistics >have been used to equate the risks of diving with those of bowling. So you're saying that even though there are no stats supporting the validity of these rules, we should just assume that problems occur, thus justifying the stupid rules?!? What fucking planet are you from, again?? Are you on the Clinton/Gore spin control staff??? >I am not going to subject the guy who told me of this to a barage of >inquiries >but I said I would let you know by private e-mail who to call if you wanted >more >info. In return I hope you will tell us of any further details you are >able to find >out, and please, keep his name to yourself. > >Chuck No, I'm sorry Chuck, this is your mule, you ride it. I'm not calling these people to make an ass of myself, thats YOUR job. Jim -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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