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This is a little nuts, obviously, and makes our point - NOBODY is beeihng fooled by the strokes anymore, and even the instructors can not explain the "standards". Jeremy Downs wrote: > > I included your last three posts so this will makes sense. > > >At 01:00 PM 9/5/97 -0400, Ocean Diving Inc. wrote: > >Jer, > >Did you know that the Max. depth limit for IANTD > >Deep Air Training is 130'. Sounds like somebody is feeding you a lot of > >bull. I will gladly send you a copy of the Deep Air Course S&P's for your > >eval if you would like. Don't be mislead. Lead. > >Semper Deep > >Capt. Jim > > We were talking about deep air in general, not one of several classes > working the students into more and more dangerous situations before they can > get to the classes they need. Don't miss the piont because of a > technicality. For this discussion lets remember were talking about it's use > below 130'. > > At 08:57 AM 9/6/97 -0400, Ocean Diving Inc. wrote: > >Get Real, > >When you try to compare Advanced Deep Air diver training with Deep Air > Training you are comparing a 160' experience with a 130' expierience. I'll > bet you don't get as narced at 160' as you have seen others Right. > > You never know if your going to get hit harder or not. Its allways a little > different each time. Murphy's law can really go to work on this one. The one > time you or your students really need a clear head will be the time tou > don't have one. Theres also alot of speculation now that high PPO2s may be > doing more than just narcing us, it may be doing physical damage as well. > > >I've been teaching CMAS depths for over 23 years but I don't think 190' air > dives are very proper > > Your right, so why do it, why require it? > > >Anyone that does not offer Intermediate Trimix to a student diver that > wants to go beyond 130' after completing Deep Air training is missing the boat. > >By the way, it is our policy to "provide" not "promote" > >Diver training. When you promote, you are bound to get the most undesirable. > > By requiring these classes to progress up to classes the that are useful is > promoting them. Besides in teaching them your saying that its ok, its not. > Even your logo promotes it right across the bottom and we all know its > talking about deep air in general. > > At 09:10 AM 9/6/97 -0400, Ocean Diving Inc. wrote: > >Hey Jer, > >IANTD offers courses other than Deep Air(130' max). > >One is called Advanced Deep Air (160' max) and should be refered to as so. > I know that you understand the difference. The Technical Deep Air program > (190' max) > >Was allowed due to a great demand by the European Tech diving Community as > helium is difficult and/or too > >Expensive to obtain in some nations. > > Its not a problem here in the western hemisphere so why promote it here? In > fact yours is a US founded and based agency plus most of its students are in > this part of the world are they not? Its not allowed, its required. > > >The grouping of all training into one name"Deep Air" is an injustice. Like > >Calling Divemaster training "Open Water Diver" training. > >There is a difference in each course and each yields a more competent diver > and Trimix divers deserve to have the best training foundation possible. > Sounds like you have a local problem with one who wants to avoid training > Intermediate Trimix to his/her Deep Air/Advanced Deep Air grads. We don't > hesitate. > >Jim > > You can call the courses what you want, I dont care. I'm concerned with the > principals involved. Maybe you should reread my posts all the way back to > the original one on this thread. Your completely missing my point, > completely. My post was talking about several problems including promoting > deep air, standards on rebreather instructor requirements not being enforced > on all instructors the same way, excessive course structure, insulting fees, > etc. I was also saying some of the same things about TDI even though IANTD > seems to be the biggest problem. > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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