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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:40:22 -0400
From: George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
CC: Shadowdivr@ao*.co*, rebreather@nw*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     cavers@ge*.co*, freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*
Subject: Re: Looks like we got lied to again
Rich, so you are saying the Norstorm is a liar, or just an idiot? I
know the other two, so don't bother bullshitting about them .

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > Nordstrom stated to me that with my experence as an instructor and diver on
> > C2R systems that it would take me 2 years to be a Cis. instructor.
> 
> Nordstrom says a lot of things to a lot of people.
> 
> > How much did the current Cis instructors pay or invest to be instructors.
> 
> There are only three, as far as I know - Tom Mount, Larry Green, and Richard
> Nordstrom. Nordstrom taught Tom and Larry. Bill Stone and I also helped teach
> Larry, and kevin Gurr helped teach Tom. I don't believe either of them (Tom
> or Larry) paid or invested any money at all to become instructors - Nordstrom
> went to them. I am not an instructor, nor do I want to be, nor has Nordstrom
> ever given any indication that he will ever allow me to be. If Nordstrom told
> you two years, it was probably because 1) he doesn't know you personally
> well-enough to be comfortable with you as a Cis instructor (that can change
> quickly); and 2) He doesn't want a lot of instructors yet because there
> aren't enough units to justify it. He originally was going to be the only
> instructor himself, but included Tom and Larry because he knows and trusts
> them both, and respects their teaching skills and general diving experience.
> This is all speculation on my part, of course, so you will have to talk to
> Nordstrom directly.
> 
> > Just so they can wave a geek flag and say hey see me im a no time inwater
C2R
> > master instructor geek and I know it all. What losers.
> 
> I don't know Larry's experience, but Tom has a lot more C2R experience
> than you might think. I wouldn't consider either of them to be "losers".
> 
> > It takes time on these systems to know anything, It takes more time to
> > experence to all the bad that comes with all the good. Unless your have been
> > there and lived the experence of seeing your life about to snuff out becouse
> > of  a error in judgment or a GOK experence you are not qualified to teach a
> > C2R class.
> 
> Nobody has expressed this sentiment more vehemently and publicly than I
> have.
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich
> 
> Richard Pyle
> Ichthyology, Bishop Museum                deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*
> 1525 Bernice St.                          PH: (808) 848-4115
> Honolulu, HI 96817-0916                   FAX: (808) 841-8968
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