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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 05:54:50 -0400
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
CC: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ge*.co*,
     freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*, rebreather@nw*.co*
Subject: Re: Red Cell Rigidity on deep air diving wasRe: (no subject)
No, I agree - you have to get away from the helium before it builds up.

Richard Pyle wrote:
> 
> > To tell you the truth, the more I see it, the shallower I make my aed
> > for nitrogen. The problem then becomes that you do not have as much gas
> > due to the lower degree of compressibility.
> 
> This much I agree with - I started limiting my PN2 to about 2.5 atm as
> soon as I started using the rebreather. The compressibility issue is
> insignificant with a rebreather - even a semi-closed one. Put N2 in your
> bailout cylinders.  The only reason I use nitrogen at all anymore is to
> alleviate the "helium willies", which I know you already know about.
> 
> > Personally, I do not like the feel of a 130 air dive later on, so there
> > is some kind of damage, so maybe just having ANY helium works, since a
> > 130 trimix dive does not produce the same effect, and a 130 aed trimix
> > dive does not produce the same ell as a 130 air dive.
> 
> Everytime I go deeper than 100 feet on air I feel like shit that night
> and the next morning.  I realized that I always felt that way before, but
> just figured it was related to diving in general. I don't feel that way
> at all with the helium - not even after the days where I do two deep
> ones, and even on dives when the PN2 is greater than it is for air at
> 100-130. I don't think it's the presence of helium as much as it is the
> elevated O2 on deco.
> 
> > I am just going with what my experience tells me, but now we are in the
> > mood to take it further to see hat the story is, besides, I like rabbit.
> 
> When you do these experiments, let me know how the rabbit tells you
> when its shoulder hurts.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, george - I keep the N2 to a minimum also. It's just that
> I am smart enough to know that "quickie" explanations like the RBC rigidity
> thing are usually only a small part of the full picture, if any part at all.
> I am also very dubious about doing deco on helium as compared to doing the
> bottom on helium and the deco on N2.
> 
> Rich
> 
> Richard Pyle
> Ichthyology, Bishop Museum                deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*
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> Honolulu, HI 96817-0916                   FAX: (808) 841-8968
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