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No, Rob, you are right - if you are deep air diving, you are a dumbass. You have no idea what our "way" is ( it is simply to recognize the true risks and do what is necessary to reduce them), and the fact that you feel the need to say something like this simply means you take exception to that thinking, which you call an "attitutde". I will be that there is absolutely nothing that you do disagree with that you could coherently explain. There is no "attitude: in the posts about Sheck , and the Rob's, you are reading it in, because you just don't like the facts. If I cared about what you or anyone else thought about my attitude, I would not put anything on here - it ain't gonna change because it is working too well - I can tell by the reactions, like yours that I get. Calkins, Rob wrote: > > your right George, you may know a lot about diving, so I guess that > makes you > a scuba God. If we don't dive your way, we must just be dumb ass > strokes. That's > right WKPP is the only ones in the world who know how to dive. I am so > tired of hearing > how great you and your WKPP are. I agree with a lot of what you say, I > just can't stand > the attitude that comes with it. > > Rob Calkins > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*] > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 1997 7:50 PM > > To: Peter Heseltine > > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; rebreather@nw*.co* > > Subject: Re: Palmer, Parker, Exley and McFaden > > > > BULLSHIT on all counts. That was the third dsy of this activity , > > Pete. > > This was a deep air death, and all of you who are trying to cover it > > up > > and deny it are proving that you just don't know much about basic > > diving. Go back and look at the gear descriptiuon, the original > > report, > > and then look and see it was the usual suspects, and that the story > > changed ten times, just like the rebreather accident stories that we > > hear, and in fact these guys were so anxious to dispel the notion that > > it was rebreather related, that they spilled the beans on the deep > > air. > > One of the morons even put it in wirting that the dive was planned to > > "ninety meters: Pete only a stroke dives to 90 m on air. > > > > The bottom line is that the guys is dead from deep air - how he got > > thjere is called peer pressure, and if you want to blame it on > > borrowed > > gear, or whatever - then it is just plain stupid, and like you say, > > "out > > of character" as we knew him, and an extreme waste. Don;t make it > > worse > > by lending your name to the concept that this was anything but a > > strokefest ending in death. > > > > Pete, why was the boat OFF the wall? I can tell you from doing it > > myself: you can't get deep enough if you have to swim away once down - > > remember you have to0 do these dives very fast - most of these have a > > "shoreline" at 320, and you need to swim out a ways to get the 400+ > > stuff. You then come up back into the wall. Don't tell me about no > > depth > > sounder, the edge is clear as day. This was an intentional deep air > > operation. > > > > I konw a lot more about this sport that you have the time to ever > > learn, and I am calling it an obvious deep air death. > > > > > > Peter Heseltine wrote: > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > At 04:28 PM 8/29/97 -0400, G. Irvine wrote: > > > >Pete, I have it from those who were last diving in the Bahamas with > > Rob > > > >that he was in fact doing .. intentional deep air diving), and > > > >from some in the UK who said he was doing that in the Red Sea. > > > > > > I guess this seems so out of character and the reports (printed and > > spoken) > > > all say that he was in trouble long before he got to ~200, where at > > the > > > earliest, he might have taken an O2 hit. My point was that he might > > have > > > been dropping fast (he was off a wall, but in 1200m according to > > Bill > > > Hamilton) because he was heavily weighted and was using borrowed > > equipment > > > (also from Bill). What was to stop him? His BC; the most poorly > > maintained > > > part of any borrowed kit. It's almost a badge of honor to see > > someone > > > wearing a faded, tattered BC, too often with an LP hose of the same > > > vintage. Would you put a reg in your mouth that looked like that? So > > why > > > strap on 30lbs and drop over the side into the blue without checking > > it's > > > working or at least having a plan if it doesn't. > > > > > > >In this... > > > >kind of diving, both deep air drops and Exley's thing, they try to > > get > > > >down as fast as possible ( even though Exley told me the HPNS would > > be a > > > >real problem), so yes, a bc problem would be bad, and Exley was > > wrapped > > > >up in the line, but then how do we have those prpoblems , Pete, > > when we > > > >are prepared properly unless we are impaired improperly? > > > > > > My point exactly. All the equipment needs to be prepped, including > > the > > > flotation. > > > > > > > Pete, the problems are as follows: Rule Number One. Option Number > > One. > > > >To wit, "don't dive wtih strokes" ( only a stroke dives deep air), > > and > > > >"Don't dive", meaning, if you can not do it right all the way for > > > >whatever reason, do not dive. This means even if you just don't > > feel > > > >like it. > > > > > > You're right, but we've all been there - a great dive and a single > > > "non-essential" piece of equip that's not right - and we still go. > > We are > > > just luckier than they are. > > > > > > >Peter Heseltine wrote: > > > >> Let's assume that George is right - just for a moment ;-) > > > >>George replied: > > > > BTW, this is usually a safe bet. - G > > > > > > "Unfortunately, knowledge of the facts does not necessarily alter > > the > > > behavior" > > > - ? > > > "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." > > > - Oscar Wilde > > > > > > "Good judgement is the result of experience, and experience is the > > result > > > of bad judgement" > > > - Walter Wriston > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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