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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:25:44 -0400
From: George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Ken Sallot <ken@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
CC: Garry Gillette <Gillette_GJ@ms*.co*>, cavers@ge*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: TO BE HOGARTHIAN OR NOT BE HOGARTHIAN, OR TO SIMPLY....
Ken, I did not read this idiot's post past his KKK and Nazi comments,
but this is really amazing - this guy is a blithering idiot. He does not
understand what makes our system safe, and putting regs on your chest is
the height of stupidity. This is how Sherwood got killed, and one of the
reasons I refused to dive with him on the dive that he got killed on.

 This guy is not worth arguing with, but the crap he proposes is so
freaking stupid that we need to go over it all and debunk it. We need a
picture of this guy for Bentley's stroke page.


Ken Sallot wrote:
> 
> > i) I wear 4. Yes 4 D rings on my chest. One for each reg and one for each
> > stage. I find it reduces the clutter. What's wrong with that?
> 
> Your stage regulators should be clipped off to the bottle, not your
> chest. You can have multiple stage bottles on the same D-Ring it
> works well.
> 
> > ii) I don't use a bit of crappy rope secured by one hose clamp on my
stages. I
> > use two clamps and D rings. This doesn't wear and break like the rope.
What's
> > wrong with that?
> 
> Let's say you need to get rid of those stage bottles and your clips
> won't open? How do you remove the stage bottle if you can't cut it
> off?
> 
> > iii) I don't run my hose under my light and around my neck. It's bungied to
> > the side of my "manifolded twins" & run under my right arm. A terrible sin I
> > know but again what's wrong with that.
> 
> Let's say your "stuffed hose" comes out, how do you "stuff it" by
> yourself?
> 
> > Your not going to convince me or any other level headed diver that this
> > deviation from purist principles makes anybody a liability. I reiterate
what I
> > said before. Would you call Bill Main all the names you mention for
deviating
> > from the norm in the first instance? You are the perfect example of the name
> > calling, tunnel vision purist I am referring to in my first post.
> 
> The liability isn't the fact that you're doing these things, the
> liability comes in if you refuse to see the logic behind better ways
> of doing things, and the fact you're obviously not thinking
> everything through. Example, the stage bottle rigging.
> 
> > If you and all these other fools are so one eyed and egotistical as to
believe
> > you are the only person on the planet who has it right, then pity help you.
> > Not only in your diving but life in general. Truth be known, if you were all
> > lined up together in your gear and we played spot the difference, not one
> > would be configured exactly the same. Put your verbose emotions aside and
let
> > your commonsense prevail and maybe then you can agree or disagree on a
> > rational basis.
> 
> Bill Gavin is right.
> 
> Ken
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