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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD79.969F4680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this type of diving/gear config. is 'standard' for diving up there, I will be watching for the next victim story. That is, of course, assuming he/she can tell it. ---------- > From: Wrolf.Courtney@do*.co* > To: Techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Freediver brings gas (Was Re: isolation valve == hogarthian ?? > Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 9:03 AM > > > > andrew@ce*.co*.jp* wrote: > > >So, my question remains. Does diving an isolation manifold over > independent doubles _actually_ increase my chances >off survival? If the > answer is yes, then the isolation manifold would be hogarthian. If the > answer is no, then >despite all its advantages, a manifold would not be > hogarthian. > > > >NOTE: I am not disputing wether or not an isolation manifold should be > used. The answer to that is clear. My >question/dispute is wether it is > hogarthian. > > OK Andrew, I'll bite. And Tony gets his story too... > > So there we were on a Saturday off diving on the John Jack. The day had > been designated a crew day, > but Zero let me come along. For these days the idea is generally to find > new wrecks, so the procedure > is to throw in a lead weight with a buoy right on the target. One guy > checks it out - if it is worth diving, > then he ties in, and we can all get in. > > First dive was great - an apparently unknown or at least very little known > site. Great dive, 140', good vis, > everything goes well, although for me my computer (a Suunto Solution) > refuses to get out of LOG mode. > Yes I have a table dive plan, and I wind up completing it. The Suunto > turns out to have been working the whole > time, just refusing to display... > > Currently I am diving with: > > * DUI CF200X dry suit; > * two UK1200 lights; > * independent twin 80s with yoke valves (when I get rich I will upgrade, of > course, to DIN with isolation manifold, 100 or 120s, etc. etc.) with air; > * Jersey up line with 200 ' of 1/4 " sisal > * Mares Navy reg > * Suunto Solution dive computer > * Suunto SPG > * Oceanic Alpha reg > * (backup) Depth Gauge > * (backup) Bottom Timer > * Navy and DCIEM air tables > * Dive Alert horn, Safety Sausage > * DiveRite penetration reel > * Backpack with Sherwood bands, various D rings. > * Bugbag > * Small knife on computer > * EMT shears in belly pocket > * Weight belt, ankle weights, Harvey hood, gloves, Mares fins > > Zero also has O2 to throw over the side, but we really do not have any way > to transfer from the buoy to hang under the boat, so > it is moot. > > Environment is typical North East wreck diving, running out of Staten > Island, off the New Jersey coast. > > A loooooong time later, I get my second dive. It was 6:15pm when we threw > the lead in, and I go in. 180', destination adventure! > > Down at the bottom, it is so silty I wonder whether Zero got the lead > inside a hold. It is *very* dark, and really no vis. I clip the > penetration > reel to the chain, try to make my way around a bit. > > I meet Mr. Lobster. I get my hand on him, and then I think to myself - > gee, remember when Gary Gentile said not > to take lobsters inside wrecks? I would need both hands to get him in the > bag - do I want to drop my reel? So I put him down... > whereupon he wants to fight! > > Which of course kicks up silt. > > I go around him, swim a little further, and decide maybe it is time to > cross back to the anchor line. No wreck so far. > > Back at the anchor line, I realize that I have used up my air much faster > than usual (what a surprise!). My first tank is nearly dry. > I kneel on the bottom, with the up line right in front of me, and switch > regs. My light is tied to me, I have the reel in my left hand, > spit out the Mares, start putting in the Oceanic, when I start coughing. > > I drop the reel. > > I can't see the line in the silt. Vis is litterally zero. > > I reach for the line - no dice. > > I scrabble around - bring up some wood chips. I can only see it when I > press it against my mask. > Well, at least I know there is a wreck. > > I have nothing to tie onto, no upline, can't even see my gauges, have half > my air gone and > lost redundancy, and I am out of time. I am appropriately concerned, but > that is a good thing. > > I have to decide between free ascent, and blowing the bag with nothing to > tie onto. I go for the latter - > after all, maybe it will catch on something, maybe I will run into the > upline, even if not, they will figure > out that I am under the bag and stay with me. > > On the way up, I see the line, and grab onto it. On my first stop (1 min > at 50') I tie them together. My > Suunto shows time to surface of 72 minutes. No way do I have enough air to > do this - hey, maybe I > could in ideal circumstances, but of course my breathing rate is somewhat > accelerated. > > But that's OK, because John always free dives down to the guy hanging to > see if he is OK. > > After a while at the 30', down comes John. I flash him 6 - 2, he gets the > idea. He comes back later with some > 60/40, though he does breathe off it while I am securing it as a stage > tank. > > We get home very late that night. > > Punchlines: > > a) Would not have happened if I had a manifold. > b) Would have happened if I had a lanyard on the reel. > > Safe Diving, > > Wrolf > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD79.969F4680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 = color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">If this type of diving/gear config. is = 'standard' for diving up there, I will be watching for the next victim = story. That is, of course, assuming he/she can tell = it.<br><br>----------<br>> From: <font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Wrolf.Courtney@do*.co*</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>> To: <font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Techdiver@aquanaut.com</u><font = color=3D"#000000"><br>> Subject: Freediver brings gas (Was Re: = isolation valve =3D=3D hogarthian ??<br>> Date: Wednesday, August 20, = 1997 9:03 AM<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>andrew@ce*.co*.jp*</u><font color=3D"#000000"> = wrote:<br>> <br>> >So, my question remains. Does diving = an isolation manifold over<br>> independent doubles _actually_ = increase my chances >off survival? If the<br>> answer is = yes, then the isolation manifold would be hogarthian. If = the<br>> answer is no, then >despite all its advantages, a = manifold would not be<br>> hogarthian.<br>> ><br>> >NOTE: = I am not disputing wether or not an isolation manifold should be<br>> = used. The answer to that is clear. My >question/dispute = is wether it is<br>> hogarthian.<br>> <br>> OK Andrew, I'll = bite. And Tony gets his story too...<br>> <br>> So there we = were on a Saturday off diving on the John Jack. The day = had<br>> been designated a crew day,<br>> but Zero let me come = along. For these days the idea is generally to find<br>> new = wrecks, so the procedure<br>> is to throw in a lead weight with a = buoy right on the target. One guy<br>> checks it out - if it is = worth diving,<br>> then he ties in, and we can all get in.<br>> = <br>> First dive was great - an apparently unknown or at least very = little known<br>> site. Great dive, 140', good vis,<br>> = everything goes well, although for me my computer (a Suunto = Solution)<br>> refuses to get out of LOG mode.<br>> Yes I have a = table dive plan, and I wind up completing it. The Suunto<br>> = turns out to have been working the whole<br>> time, just refusing to = display...<br>> <br>> Currently I am diving with:<br>> <br>> = * DUI CF200X dry suit;<br>> * two UK1200 lights;<br>> * = independent twin 80s with yoke valves (when I get rich I will upgrade, = of<br>> course, to DIN with isolation manifold, 100 or 120s, etc. = etc.) with air;<br>> * Jersey up line with 200 ' of 1/4 " = sisal<br>> * Mares Navy reg<br>> * Suunto Solution dive = computer<br>> * Suunto SPG<br>> * Oceanic Alpha reg<br>> * = (backup) Depth Gauge<br>> * (backup) Bottom Timer<br>> * Navy and = DCIEM air tables<br>> * Dive Alert horn, Safety Sausage<br>> * = DiveRite penetration reel<br>> * Backpack with Sherwood bands, = various D rings.<br>> * Bugbag<br>> * Small knife on = computer<br>> * EMT shears in belly pocket<br>> * Weight belt, = ankle weights, Harvey hood, gloves, Mares fins<br>> <br>> Zero = also has O2 to throw over the side, but we really do not have any = way<br>> to transfer from the buoy to hang under the boat, so<br>> = it is moot.<br>> <br>> Environment is typical North East wreck = diving, running out of Staten<br>> Island, off the New Jersey = coast.<br>> <br>> A loooooong time later, I get my second dive. = It was 6:15pm when we threw<br>> the lead in, and I go in. = 180', destination adventure!<br>> <br>> Down at the bottom, = it is so silty I wonder whether Zero got the lead<br>> inside a hold. = It is *very* dark, and really no vis. I clip the<br>> = penetration<br>> reel to the chain, try to make my way around a = bit.<br>> <br>> I meet Mr. Lobster. I get my hand on him, = and then I think to myself -<br>> gee, remember when Gary Gentile = said not<br>> to take lobsters inside wrecks? I would need both = hands to get him in the<br>> bag - do I want to drop my reel? = So I put him down...<br>> whereupon he wants to fight!<br>> = <br>> Which of course kicks up silt.<br>> <br>> I go around = him, swim a little further, and decide maybe it is time to<br>> cross = back to the anchor line. No wreck so far.<br>> <br>> Back at = the anchor line, I realize that I have used up my air much = faster<br>> than usual (what a surprise!). My first tank is = nearly dry.<br>> I kneel on the bottom, with the up line right in = front of me, and switch<br>> regs. My light is tied to me, I = have the reel in my left hand,<br>> spit out the Mares, start putting = in the Oceanic, when I start coughing.<br>> <br>> I drop the = reel.<br>> <br>> I can't see the line in the silt. Vis is = litterally zero.<br>> <br>> I reach for the line - no = dice.<br>> <br>> I scrabble around - bring up some wood chips. = I can only see it when I<br>> press it against my mask.<br>> = Well, at least I know there is a wreck.<br>> <br>> I have nothing = to tie onto, no upline, can't even see my gauges, have half<br>> my = air gone and<br>> lost redundancy, and I am out of time. I am = appropriately concerned, but<br>> that is a good thing.<br>> = <br>> I have to decide between free ascent, and blowing the bag with = nothing to<br>> tie onto. I go for the latter -<br>> after = all, maybe it will catch on something, maybe I will run into the<br>> = upline, even if not, they will figure<br>> out that I am under the = bag and stay with me.<br>> <br>> On the way up, I see the line, = and grab onto it. On my first stop (1 min<br>> at 50') I tie = them together. My<br>> Suunto shows time to surface of 72 = minutes. No way do I have enough air to<br>> do this - hey, = maybe I<br>> could in ideal circumstances, but of course my breathing = rate is somewhat<br>> accelerated.<br>> <br>> But that's OK, = because John always free dives down to the guy hanging to<br>> see if = he is OK.<br>> <br>> After a while at the 30', down comes John. = I flash him 6 - 2, he gets the<br>> idea. He comes back = later with some<br>> 60/40, though he does breathe off it while I am = securing it as a stage<br>> tank.<br>> <br>> We get home very = late that night.<br>> <br>> Punchlines:<br>> <br>> a) Would = not have happened if I had a manifold.<br>> b) Would have happened if = I had a lanyard on the reel.<br>> <br>> Safe Diving,<br>> = <br>> Wrolf<br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Send mail for the = `techdiver' mailing list to `<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>techdiver@aquanaut.com</u><font = color=3D"#000000">'.<br>> Send list subscription requests to `<font = color=3D"#0000FF"><u>techdiver-request@aquanaut.com</u><font = color=3D"#000000">'.</p> </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font> </font></font></f= ont></body></html> ------=_NextPart_000_01BCAD79.969F4680-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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