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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:18:08 -0400
From: Rick Dusch <rducsh@er*.co*>
To: Bill Bott <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: NC Weenies
Look dumn FUCK!
Before you call someone clueless you better now what the fuck your
talking about, DOT REGS DO NOT APPLY TO PRIVETLY OWNED SCUBA CYLINDERS



Bill Bott wrote:
> 
> Dear Clueless@er*.co*,
> 
> Are you telling me that if the store does not own the tank then the tank
> does not need a hydro every five years???  Where the fuck did you come
> from.  The DOT codes make no such distinction   I want to know who is
> filling tanks without a current hydro.  And why you would use them?  Tanks
> DO fail!!!  Ask Joe at Ocean Diving!!

DOT code does make that distintion, and most shops won't fill without
current hydro but thats there right not the law!!!


> 
> OSHA does not make any distinctions with regard to ownership either.  If
> money, goods or any service of value is exchanged as a result of filling a
> tank you have conducted business.  You then fall under OSHA regs.
> 
> Let me give you some examples (it's obvious someone needs to hold your hand
> for this one):

Look dumn ass i can sell all the helium and 02, argon any thing i want
out of my garage and OSHA has nothing to fuckin do with it
> 
> 1.      I buy a tank of compressed He & a tank of O2 from a gas supplier, the
> gas supplier MUST comply whit OSHA regs.

only if they employ over a certain no. of employes
> 
> 2.      I then take that gas home where I blend a 15/40 Tri-Mix for myself.  I
> am NOT compelled to adhere to OSHA regs (no "business" was conducted)
> 
> 3.      My friend Phil comes over and I mix him a 15/40 Tri-Mix so that we can
> dive the same mix on our dive together.  Because I like Phil (he lets me
> stay at his cabin several times a year) I don't charge him for the gases or
> my time to mix his gas.  I am NOT compelled to adhere to OSHA regs (no
> "business" was conducted).
> 
> 4.      Frank gets his tanks filled with 15/40 so that he too can dive the
> same gas on our dive together.  Frank is a Coast Guard licensed Capt. And
> runs the charter boat we will be diving from.  In exchange for the boat
> ride I fill Frank’ tanks.  Business WAS conducted.  I MUST COMPLY with OSHA
> regs.
> 
> 5       Bart is also diving with us But I don’t owe Bart anything (he is
Paul’s
> friend but Paul is gone to Europe for six weeks and won’t be there)  I
> charge Bart for the gases used to mix his gas. Business WAS conducted.  I
> MUST COMPLY with OSHA regs.

BULLSHIT you can sell all the gas you want from your home OSHA has
nothing to do with it Hell you can sell all the gas you want from
most dive shops and OSHA has nothing to do with it
> 
> Can you see the difference between each of these cases and why OSHA is
> involved in some but not others?  Do you need more help with this i.e. an
> explanation as to why Frank, Bart and the gas supplier were business deals
> and why my and Phil’s fill were NOT?  Do you need me to relight the joint
> you were smoking when you wrote the last post to me?

I think you need the fuckin explanation pull those code books out of 
your ass and read them, fuck that don't waste your time they have
nothing to do with you so get a fucking clue before you post dumn shit
like this again........RD
 
> 
> At 07:03 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Bill Bott wrote:
> >>
> >> RD,
> >>
> >> OSHA regs.  I'll look up the code if you need it.  Private individuals
> >> (nonbusiness) are not covered by there regs.
> >
> >       Bill ,
> >Thats my point the OSHA, DOT regs regarding pressure vessels (scuba)
> >do not apply to privatly owned cylinders , if a dive shop ownes
> >there own cylinders and are renting them out to the puplic then they
> >must follow the regs.(tanks clean, hydro every five years ect.)
> > but if i bring a cylinder in for filling those regs those regs do not
> >apply....RD
> >
> 
> Bill (aquadart) Bott
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