George,

I've been following the discussions of the list for sometime, trying to =
enhance my cave diving knowledge and to know more about what happens in =
cave diving community in US and other sites.

Unhaply, you touch in a issue that calls for my attetion and i think it =
deservs some comments from me or from any other Brazilian cave diver =
that follows this discussion group and knows about what you wrote.

There are a lot of discussion about "doing it right". Like any other =
activities, and cave diving is not out of the list, there are different =
ways to do something right, without exposing yourself to danger. There =
are several trainning agencies for cave diving and i guess all of them =
make a good job on preparing trainning descriptions and minimun course =
requirements. Then Intructors teach regular divers to start cave diving =
based on those trainning descriptions, minimun course requirements and =
minimun student performance. We have the "Human factor" that make the =
Instructors to give different classes (based on their experience and =
learned skills) and the students learns different even with the same =
instructor and in the same class because of the same reasons. Each one =
of us has different ideas, experiences and skills.

I personally know those three instructors and followed the trainning =
they gave in Brazil and did recently some trainning with them. I know =
some pretty good cave divers trainned by them. They are very considered =
here in Brazil and, i know, also in the US.=20

Regarding Rennaker's Article, probably you missinterpret the article. =
Try to read it again without tendencies to find errors and you'll find =
the real meaning of him words. As an explorer you probably already have =
passed  by this: Planning a long diving, investing time, equipment, air =
fills and resources to make a great dive and then discovering that the =
passage that you were told that was endless ends just after 100 ft from =
the last explored point. It just happens.

I really hope JJ like the Brazilian caves. If possible, please advise =
ey were teaching cave diving. Luckily, JJ is on his way
down there to show them how to do it right, and I can tell you right now
that JJ will make it more than 800 feet into the caves, a lot more, and
I will guarantee that when JJ is through with those people they will not
be doing anything that these guys taught them - obvious is obvious,
especially by comparison.




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