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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:50:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Major <bobmajor@ro*.co*>
Subject: Ted Green = Bonehead
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: cavers@ge*.co*
Ted,

If this is not a fake and you are a real person then are you "waisted"
(sic) or are you just another pillar of dive store intellectual
dwarfism?  First you start out by criticizing George�s spelling and
then, remarkably, you entertain us with your own fine examples of
spelling "boobery".  Since you have misspelled "FECES" and have
stepped in it as well I have to wonder about your judgment underwater.
 

Apparently you are the proprietor of some form of dive shop.  Do your
customers refer to you affectionately as "Mr. Scooba"?  Based on your
pompous remarks I would guess that your back wall is covered with
pictures of yourself proudly displaying speared fish or better yet
standing on the deck of the Wahoo, covered in stroke gear, with nitrox
stickers pasted all over your tanks, grinning at the cameraman.  Let
me Guess.  You have a nicotine stained  beard, a large pendulous gut, 
wear a captains hat and a soiled "I Survived the Doria" tee shirt.

Like the  North Florida rednecks who tell you that the rattlesnake
first gives you a warning bite, you have stepped up to the snake pit
and shoved your arm all the way in and told us all to watch.  We will
all enjoy watching this spectacle.    

By your own admission you are a first class deep air comedian. Like a
lot of these idiots you are also probably "good on air" to 200� and
teach this misinformation to your students. I have a great mental
image of you pitching off a dive boat, red faced, bloated and grossly
over weighted with dual independents, reels, multiple computers and
arms flailing, not unlike an exploded alarm clock. You plummet
straight  to the bottom all the while trying to get control of
yourself.  At 140� you still can�t figure out which inflator on your
bondage wings will slow your descent, but you are jamming both buttons
down and the dump valves are screaming like steam whistles.  Gasping
for air, narced on your ass, you finally ram head first into the mud
on the bottom all the while reminding yourself that you�re an expert
at this (and an instructor).  

George was probably wrong regarding you running after students with a
hardon and a knife.  What he meant to say was "waddling".

The only thing that saves you from the deep blue goodbye is the
bottom.  Get your snakebite kit ready.


> Date:          Tue, 13 May 1997 13:34:30 -0400
> From:          George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Reply-to:      gmirvine@sa*.ne*
> Organization:  George Irvine
> To:            Ted Green <scuba@md*.co*>
> Cc:            techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject:       Re: Latest UK "news" re Rob
Subject: 
        GEORGE BOVINE FECI ( BULL SHIT )
       George,
           You have never been on my advise list. I don't waist my 
time on deaf cowboys. Real explorers keep their mouths shut and let 
their accomplishments speak for them. The problem with you is 
that you stand on your soap box ( the internet ), tell people how to do
it, and if one of them were to get hurt, you would say " just another 
dumb stroke fucking up".  
       Did you ever notice that the real explorers  and scientists
have Dr.
in front of their name and publish papers on what they found as
opposed 
to what they wear when their doing it? I suppose that has to do with 
the value of their accomplishments. Of course getting Dr. in front of 
your name requires discipline and years of study, neither of which you 
seem to demonstrate having much of.
       Finally George, why is it that every time you try and ridicule 
someone instead of answering their question, you fantasize about them 
in some perverted act? With Bob Ramio, you have him in "GQ magazine 
wearing pantyhose". In your last e-mail to me, you have me " down an 
alley naked with a hardon and a butcher knife". Is there something 
your not telling us? COWBOY, I AM BEGINNING TO THINK YOU 
MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE CLOSET DICK SMOKERS. George, if 
you are one of those closet types, do us all a favour and stay there.
     
        Ted Green 

> Ted, the problem with you dive shop wizzards is that when you are not
> fucking somebody, you are fucking with them - I am a bad choice,
since I
> hold you ignorant assholes responsible for bad gear, bad instruction,
> bad advice, bad information, and in this latest example of your sheer
> ignorance,  a bad comparison: what we do in cave diving exploration
to
> some dumb fuck diving deep on air as an "accomplishement" or
"record". 
> 
>   The reason you "teach and support the 200 limit" whatever that is,
is
> that you are a misinformed and ignorant , like most dive instructors.
> You think that you have some narcosis ability, while knowing
> absolutelely nothing about physiology or the damage you are
inflicting
> on your "students" , who themselves deserve what they get for taking
> life supoort instruction from badge-collecting dive shop savant like
> yourself.
> 
>  As far as who or what I am an instructor in or for, that is none of
> anyone's business, since I do not teach anyone outside of the WKPP.
In
> fact, chief, the standards say that I can waive anything I want to
waive
> to teach what I teach. In other words, they have the deep air and
> bullshit nitrox for idiots like you to teach. PADI has deep air
covered,
> and nitrox is a classroom course - I teach the deco with the dive,
not
> the deco and then the dive, but then I am not chasing students "down
an
> alley naked with a hardon and a butcher knife" like you are. 
>    
>    You need to leave me off of your advice-dispensing list - I have
zero
> patience for what you guys represent - THE problem. - G
> 
Ted Green (owner)                
Tidewater Aquatics (Dive Store)  
Salisbury Maryland USA
TDI IT #029
SSI MI #178

The world contains but three types of people:
            1. Those who make things happen.
            2. Those who watch things happen.
            3. Those who wonder what happened.
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 Date:          Tue, 13 May 1997 00:25:36 -0400
> From:          George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Reply-to:      gmirvine@sa*.ne*
> To:            Ted Green <scuba@md*.co*>
> Cc:            techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject:       Re: Latest UK "news" re Rob

    George,
        You you should really get someone to teach you how to use and 
read an e-mail program. I didn't send you the last post twice. It was 
sent to you directly once, and the bulletin board once, just as this 
post was. While your at it, why don't you learn to use a Spell Check? 
It will help make up for the grade school education you seem to lack.  
      If you would learn to read and comprehend what you read, you
will 
find that nowhere in my post do I condone, teach or support air diving 
below 200 feet. I teach and support the 200' air limit. That is a TDI 
course standard. You are a TDI instructor. You obviously would know 
that if you ever bothered to read the standards.
      The problem with you self proclaimed Scuba Deities is that 
any time someone asks a question that might call into question 
something you said, you get defensive instead answering the question.
READ, COMPREHEND AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

       Ted Green 

> this is the second time you have sent me this ridiculous bullshit.
The
> only correct response to this is SMD. What is it with you dive shop
guys
> - it seems that if you can be fucking somebody, you have to fuck with
> them. If you really are an "instructor trainer", and yo do not konw
what
> I do, then somebady screwed up making yo one, and if yo do not konw
the
> difference between deep air diving adn cave diving, you qualify as an
> obvious stroke, and part of the problem rather than part of the
> solution.
> 
> Ted Green wrote:
> > 
> > > Date:          Sun, 11 May 1997 12:27:34 -0400
> > > From:          George Irvine <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
> > > Reply-to:      gmirvine@sa*.ne*
> > > Organization:  George Irvine
> > > To:            Raimo4252@ao*.co*
> > > Cc:            chris@de*.de*.co*.uk*,
graeme_davison@ne*.co*, cavers@ge*.co*,
> > >                techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject:       Re: Latest UK "news" re Rob
> > 
> > > Bob, I do not respect anyone's right to fuck up diving for all
of us -
> > > the deep air guys are ignorant strokes - both the living and
dead. - G
> > >
> > 
> >            George,
> >                Do cave divers feel the same with regard to how far
you
> > push the envelope for your project and the repercussions to them
in the
> > event of your untimely death? If there is a difference what is it?
> >          This wasn't meant as a critisizim to your project,
ability or
> > achievements. I just want to know what makes you think you have
the right
> > to do what you think you can, and why Rob shouldn't of had that
same
> > right?
Ted Green (owner)                
Tidewater Aquatics (Dive Store)  
Salisbury Maryland USA
TDI IT #029
SSI MI #178

The world contains but three types of people:
            1. Those who make things happen.
            2. Those who watch things happen.
            3. Those who wonder what happened.
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