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Hi Jesse In Sept of last year George contacted Billy Deans and I at IANTd about becomming an instructor. We did not give him a run around , we did spell out the requirements he would need to meet (remember at the time he had no instructor ratings at all), we even tooki his abilities into consideration and presented him with a plan that would expidate his certification to the levels he was interested in. It did require an IDC. Shortly after that is when you apparently gave him a trimix instructor rating, without a formal IEC or multi person /instructor evaluation. We (IANTD) have no problem with your awarding him a TDI trimix instructor rating without having him first be a scuba instructor and without having him do IEC's at the specified instructor levels, or having co taught any of those courses. HOWEVER within IANTD we do not have that degree of flexiability, thus we required the formal environment of instructor training. I do not think abiding by our standards constitutes, the comment of giving someone the runaround. Presently we are setting up an IEC program to allow George to crossover, it is an IEC though and George will have demonstrated in a formal setting all the teaching abilities in SCUBA and then in the Halcyon. Part of this program involves his teaching a program(s). The main goal is to get him qualified as a Halcyon rebreather instructor. I personally know his abilities on this unit and I have dived it with him, he has more hours on it than I do now and most likely more than Jack kellen (the designer) and Robert at brownies(the manufacturer) however we will formally do the IEC and have him TEACH in a formal course, which is different than an informal setting. He will also do and demonstrate all the skills in the standards so it is public record he did as much to earn his instructorship as anyone, with the only break being he is expidated somewhat due to his experience which we do indeed recognize and reflect this in allowing him to come directly up to a Halcyon RB instructor in coinjunction with the overall IEC/IDC. It also verifies what I as an individual already know in that he has the knowledge, skill and capability to teach and fitness level to handle emergiencies. IANTD is bound by its standards and priniciples to this course of action. George does not seem to mind at all. In fact I think(opnion) he rather enjoys the chance to demonstrate his skills and knowledge, and that his certification will be solid and not open to questions. Tom Mount Jesse Armantrout wrote: > > Since there seems to be little interest in facts on these lists, many of you > may wish to disregard this post. However, the following are the facts with > regard to the trimix instructor certification of George Irvine, III. > > I certified George as a TDI Trimix Instructor. After hearing that George > was being given the run around by another agency, I suggested that I might > be able to help. It was my idea. I called Bret Gilliam and asked him if I > could waive certain requirements. Bret said that it was up to me, as a TDI > trimix instructor trainer, and that I would have to document everything. I > prepared the paperwork and faxed it to TDI headquarters. > > The reasons I felt George was qualified to teach trimix were based on, among > other things: > 1. My personal observation of George conducting over a dozen long range > trimix cave exploration dives > 2. Diving with George on deep open water dives > 3. The fact that since I have known George, he has taught me more about > trimix than I thought I knew. > > George told me that the primary reason he wanted to become a trimix > instructor was for the training of WKPP personnel. Nobody in the world is > more qualified to do that, and anybody that questions that needs to come out > and visit a site over which George is presiding. > > I did not think it was necessary to force George to go "step-by step" > through a formal TDI course, as I had already witnessed the execution of all > requirements to my satisfaction. If anybody has a problem with this, they > need to contact me. Not George. Not TDI. Not the lists. My phone number > is included. > > Jesse Armantrout > TDI IT#17 > 334-443-4695 > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send list subscription requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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