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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:08:51 +0000
To: RATDIVER@ao*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: John Thornton <johnpt@jo*.de*.co*.uk*>
Subject: Re: DOING IT IN SOUTH FLORIDA
Ive just had a brilliant set of dives in south florida, but maybe we
went to places that werent cheap and understood that what we asked for
was what we wanted,
Don`t be vague tell the world who it was and then leave it up to us
whether we bother with them!!
>minded him I asked for *air*.  He said no problem and he offered to cross
>out!! the "32%" on the tape; not even to remove it.
>
Did you ask to analyse it?
>I said to hold on.  I asked for air, I don't know about these kind of tanks,
>what might have been in them, how they are maintained, or anything.  He said
>"We don't have to do that ... our agency doesn't use dedicated cylinders."
>
Oh you didn`t have an analyser.
>I should have left then
But you didn`t.
>, but instead I asked again for two plain air
>cylinders.  After he spent a few minutes showing no effort to hide his
>annoyance, he pulled two more cylinders from the same rack.  These cylinders
>looked like the others minus the tape on the neck.
>
When you did your courses did you understand that if you accept a fill
then that is it. were you not told that only you breathe for you etc
etc?
>While this was going on, my wife whispered to me something about their air
>quality. 
Why did she whisper?
> I told her to look for a gas analysis report.  She found it tacked
>to the wall by the fill panel.  It was dated 1994.
>
Did you still dive?
>As we knew where we were diving, I kept much of this in perspective.  Of
>course *he* didn't know anything about where we were diving. 
>
Bollocks
>It seems to me the implications are severe:  What was actually in the first
>set of cylinders?  32%?  21%?  Something else?  Whatever it was, how did he
>know for sure? And what was he doing giving them to me?  Was he sure at all?
>
your problem nobody elses.
>As he had no knowledge of our EAN training, how did he expect *me* to verify
>that a cylinder with markings I had never been exposed to before in fact had
>air in it?  I'm not trained in this area, remember?  Was I just supposed to
>just take his word cause he's the expert?
>
I rest my case.
>There are a lot of divers in this world unfamiliar with the concepts of
>alternate breathing gases.  People have been trained for years who never come
>in contact with it.  Even for recently certified divers, exposure to EAN
>theory in open water training is still more or less optional, and unless the
>instructor is well-versed or well-trained, inaccurate by many standards.
> People generally do not know what it is they don't know.
>
what do you suggest? Maybe you should of followed your training and when
in doubt , don`t!
>
>Think of the impression on the mainstream, unsuspecting, and unexposed
>public.  He sees tank markings he's never seen before.  He doesn't know what
>they are supposed to mean.  He reads it and immediately sees an obvious
>conflict.  He doesn't know how to resolve it.  He is not trained to know an
>analysis or test is even possible so he doesn't know to ask.
>
It sounds like you accepted it.
>Whether or not he buys from the store, he concludes there is no control.  No
>rules, no procedures, no clarity.  Nothing special with regard to that
>technical stuff he might have heard something about.  "Our agency doesn't
>require it" is like saying I got a note from home.  Laxity, it doesn't apply
>to us.  Imagine if a doctor, lawyer, or accountant, stock broker said
>something like that to you or your family.
>
As above
>Based on what I went through, customers, "air" divers can inadvertently
>receive EAN without ever knowing it.  The air had no noticeable odor, taste,
>or other obvious objection.  I will, however, not visit that chain again.
>
>After everything I've been reading about for the last few years, where the
>experts are, who the experts are, where it all began, and on and on, all I
>can say is:
>
>Nice Job, really well done, South Florida.
>
If you dived then you accepted the gas, that`s your problem nobody
elses!!
>
>RatDiver @AOL
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