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yer doing it again George --- if I have not posted it to the list I expect it to be a private post ---- If I post it to the list then its public. I dont know what happened with Parker only what Dr. Bill told me -- some flow anomally -- that an accident otherwise it would be called an "on purpose" You know being so defensive is not one of your real traits -- I have met you, I have spoken to you and I have had many serious civil conversations with you via e-mail. As far as cave counterparts --- fat slobs, and knowing what you guys do -- well lets see. at 6'1" 260 i aint no fat slob --- Garvin at 6 " 3 and 190 aint no fat slob and Bielenda at 5"9" 185 at 60 years old divng for 40 years aint no fat slob. Everyone talks George, especially you -- you tell more than you may realize and as much as you think its a big world its smaller than you think. What goes on in the caves is common knowledge as is on the wrecks . Rise above it George. See ya Joel
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