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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 16:40:12 -1000 (HST)
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
To: George Irvine <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Cc: TechDiver <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: Re: My goodness!
>   Rich, you have never seen how we do anything, but I can assure you it is
just 
> as well executed as our cave dives , and nobody is arguing with the results
of 
> those, yet you are willing to argue with something you have not even
considered 
> or ever seen.

The irony continues.  How many of my dives have you seen?  Yet, you 
continue to argue with me about things you know absolutely nothing about.

>   We have tried all of the dumb stuff when we first did it, and although you 
> think this seems clever , you are talking about things we did ten 
> years ago and > have lived through to find better ways 

Read my last message. Carefully.  Try to understand my point.

>     We would not take a bottle past its depth in a cave, but then in open
water 
> we check each other for what we are breathing at deco, the bottles are
properly 
> marked for depth, and with the manifold and hopgarthian rig there is little 
> chance of breathing the wrong gas

I'm very happy for you.

>      Recommending dangerous , ill-thought out convolutions as a result of not 
> having the proper gear or experience is bullshit, much like the Australians 
> saying they should dive deep on air because helium is expensive - why 
> do we need 
> to dive deep.

You should see what the local Hawaiian fishermen do. There's a huge world 
outside of Florida, about which you continue to demostrate vast ignorance.

>      You act like you know what you are talking about and hold yourself up as
an 
> expert,

Actually, I don't recall every doing that.  I tell people what I have 
learned from my own diving experience.  Magazines ask me to write 
articles for them - not the other way around. On rare occassions, I 
comply.  I have never pretended to be an expert - but I have no control 
over what you or anyones else regards me as. For example - with 
rebreathers, I have said over and over - in print, in voice, and online, 
that I regard myself a "rebreather weenie".  How does that make me 
someone who holds myself up to be some sort of expert?

> and then make recommendations that sound like what an open water one 
> student would dream up, or the other people who constantly argue with me
about 
> cave diving gear, and then tell me that "when they get certified, they will
do 
> it their way"

I'm not certified for anything but PADI's AOW program.

>      The stuff I recommend woll work now , will work later, will work for a 
> weenie dive and wil hold true for the most monster dive out there - do it
right 
> or not at all, without reservation.

That's very special.

Aloha,
Rich

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