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With all this raging going on about independents/manifolds, etc. I though
we could use a little wisdom from a old diver who once said:

"I used to be 'with it', but then they changed what 'it' was. Now, what I'm
WITH isn't 'it', and what's 'it' is weird and scary to me."

Grampa Simpson - Father of Homer, Grandfather of Bart.

Don't let the new methods being developed by the dudes in caves scare you,
just get with "it"...

Kevin
HeyyDude

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