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To: techdive <techdiver@opal.com>
Subject: Rebreather Forum
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 18:40:05 +22305714 (HST)
Hi Everyone:

Mike Menduno sent me the following summary of the Key West Rebreather
Workshop held last May, and gave me permission to post it. This is a draft
of what will appear in the upcoming "HARD" issue.

Mike can now be reached at "aquacorps@sh*.co*" He says he'll be on this
forum soon.


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IN THE LOOP
-A Report on aquaCorps' Rebreather Forum 
by Michael Menduno

Key West, FL-Like the "Enriched Air Nitrox Workshop" it hosted three years 
ago, aquaCorps' Rebreather Forum, held 22-24MAY94, drew industry and tekkie 
aficionados from around the diving circuit including; Canada, China,
Germany, Sweden, the UK, and the US, to clear up the many myths associated 
with rebreather technology and discuss where it will go from here. The
difference was there wasn't much controversy; attendees were interested in
getting
into the loop. 

Over 90 industry participants representing the spectrum of end user 
communities were in attendance including; nine rebreather manufacturers, a 
host of companies and training agencies including; BSAC, IANTD, IADRS,
PADI and Dr. Max Hahn of the German Federation of Sport Divers (VDST),
government agencies from NOAA and NMRI to EDU, the US Army Special Forces
and the UK's HSE, commercial representatives, scientific organizations,
several police groups, and special guests; US Navy physiology guru,
Dr. Ed Thalmann, Alan Krasberg-one of the godfather's of closed circuit
systems-and forum
co-chair and circuit guru in his own right, Tracy Robinette of Divematics,
"I have been involved in rebreathers for nearly twenty five years and a
meeting like this has simply never happened before." Heady stuff to be
sure. Beamed technical dive store owner, Dennis Pierce, Epic Dives, HI
"The level of collective [diving] consciousness in the room was almost
overwhelming." 

First conceived of in the 17th century, rebreather technology has a fifty
year history of successful use by the militaries of the world and is a
fundamental component of commercial gas diving reclaim systems. Now with
declining military budgets, inexpensive computer chips and a burgeoning
non-military diving community ready to take the plunge, many people
believe that rebreathers represent the wave of the future. Observed Krasberg,
"Rebreathers seem to come back every thirty years and now it looks like
they will remain with us for some time." 

The forum  kicked off with a "No Bubbles-No Troubles" tour of the US
Army's Combat Swimmer School where participants were ushered into a room
full of rebreathers-racked, stacked, and ready to rock 'n' roll. An
appropriate starting point; the school has been training closed circuit
divers continuously for over 27 years, and provided a healthy reality
check for rebreather wanna  haves.  From there, the forum got down to
business; dissecting the knotty issues surrounding rebreather technology;
technical requirements, closed vs. semi-closed systems, market economics,
training and liability concerns. 

Similar to nitrox in the pre-tekkie era, established rebreather manufacturers,
whose revenues are derived solely from military coffers, approached the
forum cautiously, though those in attendance were seen frantically scribbling
notes throughout the 'dollars and sense' session on new market
applications and economics. Who wants rebreathers? A lot of divers; public
safety officers, scientists, photographers, videographers, harvesters,
specialized commercial users and of course, the tekkies. And most of these
users appear to have the money to pay, "My clients think nothing of
spending US$5,000-10,000 for camera equipment," said photographer and
wildlife guide, Amos Nachoum. " I don't think rebreathers are any
different." NOT. 

The market? Confessed, John Sherwood, one of the principals of 
Fullerton-Sherwood, which builds the CUMA system for the Canadian Forces,
"I was the cynic in our company. But it seems clear to me now there's a real 
emerging market that we had better address." The message from users? Do it 
now. As always-to-the-point wildlife photographer, Marty Snyderman chided
"The world is waiving them [rebreathers] in front of me, but they won't let
me have one." (This while threatening the stony-faced panel of
manufacturers-pen drawn-with a raised cheque book in hand. Uggh). Later,
the Draeger and Carleton Technologies delegations were separately observed
wooing Snyderman over conch fritters and key lime pie. No free lunches?
Where there's a dollar there's a way.

Next, Dr. Thalmann gave a refreshing and enlightening luncheon discourse
on diving  physiology, sponsored by legal defense heavies, Hruska & Lessor.
The bottom line? There's still a whole hell of a lot of diving physiology we
just don't understand. Case in point; CNS oxygen toxicity. According to
Thalmann, "Convulsions appear to be a random event at PO2s above 1.3-1.4
atm"- this in an era of computerized oxygen toxicity tracking!#? Hmmm.
Which algorithm did you say you were using? Think hard.

Training? Forum participants learned they'd to be lucky to survive the
week with combat swimmer staff instructors, Sgt. Dennis Wardlow and Rob
Gardener, as they presented the grueling details of their six week
training course. A weekend rebreather certification? How about something in
between? Of course, the real problem with training was right there under
our nose; or not as the case was. "It's hard to talk seriously about
rebreather training, when none of us can even buy one," Ocean Odyssey's
Wings Stocks, CA, made his point. Though it apparently hasn't dissuaded some
companies from thinking through the loop; offered PADI's Karl Shreeves,
"When rebreather technology is ready for the mainstream, PADI will be there
to offer training." That should keep those wheels spinning (couldn't resist). 

Getting down to brass tacks, the hazards and potential liability problems 
associated with rebreather diving were discussed at length, and included a 
closed circuit fatality report from Dr. Bill Stone's Huatla
Expedition, and a perspective from a different kind of diver, 
Bill Booth, the inventor of the single point release parachute and avid 
"skydiver." Overall, the results of the liability session were better than 
expected.  According to diving plaintiff attorney, Bobby Delise of
Vosbein, Delise, Amedee, Bertrand, LA "As long as manufacturers and
distributors give the end user a full disclosure relative to a rebreathers
specifications, limitations, risks and most importantly, the requisite
training and maintenance demands, product liability should not present
formidable barriers." Divemaster Insurance Consultants of London apparently
agrees; the company sent a solicitation flyer to be distributed at the
forum. The scariest line of the session?" They're [referring to a
particular rebreather] so simple what could go wrong?" The comment was
followed by a full 30 seconds of silence. You wanna list?

After three grueling days of discussion, attendees had the opportunity to 
finally dive a rebreather, courtesy of Carleton Technologies and  Key West 
Diver, assisted by JR Hott of NMRI. "It's like going back to the womb of
the  mother," said Amos Nachoum, "Very natural, very pleasurable." Others
were equally enthralled. "Rebreathers are the way of the future. There's no
doubt in my mind," asserted London's  Health and Safety Executive, Graeme
Lawrie. Most everyone seemed to agree. 

The conclusions ?The consensus  at the forum seemed to be that semi-closed 
rebreathers will likely represent the first wave of product due to their 
simplicity and relatively low cost. Even so it will be a while before the 
technology is generally available on a broad scale. Several rebreather 
start-ups reportedly plan to offer systems within the year; Cis-Lunar
Labs, Prism Life Support Systems and Oceanic. Expect to see them offered
at the 95tek.Conference and receive some hands-on pool training. Note that
training will be an important component of purchasing a rebreather; a typical
training course will likely to run about 40-60 hours. 

Finally, forum participants expressed the desire to form an  association
for advanced diving technologies, code named, "Deja Vu." After all, there's
more to come. Confessed, Bishop Museum's Richard Pyle, "I always figured that
open circuit was just a stop gap until I got my rebreather. Then I spent a
weekend with Phil Nuytten [inventor of the NEWTSUIT]. Now I'm wondering
whether rebreathers aren't just another stop gap along the way." Something to
think about.

-M2

For more information about the forum or association to be formed, contact 
aquaCorps, POB 4243, Key West, FL 33041 USA, ph; 305.294.3540, fax: 
305.293.0729 or Tracy Robinette, Divematics @ 145 W Whiting Ave. "A", 
Fullerton, CA 92632, fax: 714.773.0471. We will announce when the
transcript of the forum is available.

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