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To: "A.APPLEYARD" <A.APPLEYARD@fs*.mt*.um*.ac*.uk*>
Subject: Re: O2 Rebreathers for decompressing
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
Cc: techdiver <techdiver@opal.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 12:48:09 +22305714 (HST)
On Mon, 4 Jul 1994, A.APPLEYARD wrote:

>   On Fri 1 Jul 1994 09:54:28 +22305714 (HST) Richard Pyle wrote (Subject: Re:
> O2 Rebreathers for hang):-
> 
>   > [The advantage of using an oxygen rebreather for decompressing, begins to
> be lost if nitrogen etc outgassed by the diver accumulate in the rebeather's
> closed circuit] ...
> 
>   How much bulk of nitrogen is absorbed by a diver?, even if he is (say)
> saturated with nitrogen at 200 feet. Would it make much of an effective
> concentration when outgassed and mixed with a breathing-bag-ful of oxygen?

I've been trying to get a handle on this one for a long time.  Bill
Hamilton told me it was on the order of one liter per atmosphere at
saturation.  So, at saturation at 200 feet (say, about 7 ATA), there
should be 7 liters of nitorgen (i.e., a LOT).  Of course it all depends on
how saturated you really are, and how big, err, um.... voluminous your
body is.

>   > The solution, therefore is to periodically flush the breathing loop of the
> rebreather. I haven't yet heard anyone put forth a recommended frequency of
> flushing, though.
> 
>   Don't. Ordinary-sized small oxygen rebreather cylinders are soon emptied by
> a few repeated flushings of bag + lungs. Flush once when going from air (from
> aqualung, or at the start of an ordinary oxygen rebreather dive), then not
> again unless you inadvertantly breathe air thereafter.

When doing multiple-mixture closed-circuit deep decompression dives, I
don't think you're gonna want to be using "ordinary" small diluent
cylinders.  The large-capacity diluent cylinders (e.g. 80 cf) also serve
as open-circuit bail-out.

>   > an O2 rebreather would be an effective tool for decompression. It would
> ALSO be a very useful tool for anyone attempting in-water recompression to
> treat DCS. For this reason, I asked the rebreather manufacturers at the Key
> West forum if they might be making inexpensive oxygen rebreathers for such
> purposes. The general answer I felt I got was that the liability concerns
> (apparently THE MAJOR road-block to rebreather availability) were GREATER for
> the O2 rebreathers than for the mixed-gas ones (believe it or not).
> Translation: "Don't expect them anytime soon".
> 
>   Where <do> ordinary people get oxygen rebreathers from nowadays?, if they
> want/need one.

I have no idea.  For liability reasons, they're pretty-much only sold to
the military.  A Drager rep. told me that liability was too high for them
to consider selling their O2 rebreathers to non-military, "ordinary people"

Aloha,

Rich

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