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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:29:29 +22305133 (HST)
From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*>
Subject: Re: Recommendations for BC?
To: Jim Cobb <cobber@mi*.co*>
Cc: "Gary A. Meier" <gameier@fm*.co*>, Tech Diver <techdiver@terra.net>
> I own(ed) both and had both in the water for extended dives and I came to 
> this obvious (to me) conclusion, that the wings are more stable and thus 
> more comfortable with dual steel tanks. To me the difference was a plain 
> as night and day. Aren't you using yours with a rebreather, not doubles? 
> Perhaps this explains the difference?

No, I've never used it with the rebreather - only with doubles.  I wasn't
trying to say you were wrong - I don't doubt that the wings work better
for you.  All I'm saying is that the OMS (and presumably other
double-bladder, bondage wings) do work in some situations - like my
situations - so blanket condemnation is unwarranted.  In contrast, I see
no reason not to blanket-condemn square lights, or even fuses in lights,
based on physics and the stuff I read here.  I do not believe, however,
that the dual-bladder bondage wings fall in the same category.

> If the bands can be adjusted so they don't jam the valve, why don't they 
> come from the factory configured that way? 

When I got mine, the bands weren't even on yet - I had to assemble it
myself.  I don't know how it comes pre-configured, as I bought mine
years ago.

> If you don't need the 2nd power inflator, why put a power inflator on the 
> 2nd bladder hose? 

I do use it because to me, the extra failure point of the extra LP hose is
less of a concern than the potential for a primary BC failure, and I don't
want to dick around with manual inflation.  I was only pointing out that
you don't *have* to use a 2nd LP inflator hose, as you seemed to suggest.

> Or maybe OMS intends it to be used with a 2nd LP? So you use a 2nd LP, 
> what about the increase in the failure points? If you don't think that 
> failure points are a factor then why do you have a 2nd bladder in the 
> first place?

Explained above.  Costs & benefits. In my experience, the second inflator
is worth it.

> If you ask me the likelihood of failure of a LP hose or 
> cheap plastic valve is far greater than a BC.

The BC's never "blow", but the corrugated hoses come out of their fittings
- even with triple cable ties.

> never a BC failure. A diver with your experience MUST see the beauty of 
> simplicity. In the old days they used clorox bottles for BC, so I don't 
> see why a lift bag cannot be used as a backup in the unlikely event of BC 
> failure.

Yes, I do see the beauty in simplicity.  Unfortunately, I can't free-dive
to 400 feet - at least I can't stay down long enough to catch anything. 
Hence, I choose a complex life support system.  The art of all this stuff
is in balancing redundancy with simplicity.  The rest you gan read in
books. I can't use clorox bottles because in Hawaii, unscrupulous
fishermen use clorox to poison fish, and I wouldn't want someone mistaking
the purpose of the bottle.

> I paid several hundred dollars for mine too, and I sold it at a terrible 
> loss. I don't regret it and I chalk it up to, once again, learning the 
> hard way. And if you knew what a cheapskate I am then you would look at 
> this event in awe and amazement and run right out and switch over to 
> single wings too.  

Don't forget, I started with single wings - and the layer of dust on them
is even thicker than the layer on my doubles.

Aloha,
Rich

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