Jeez Jim, Give it a break. From your address is seems you are in a university or educational system. Do you have this much patients with your students when they dont do something you like? That wil really shape the future of our children's thinking and interations with people. This is a technical diving forum and as such it is for the open exchange of ideas and information --- OPEN and that means that if there is information that is pertinent to the overall forces of technical diving it belongs here. That will include, products, software, magazines, seminars, workshops, and debates. As long as the sender does not specifically ask for money here its not advertising --- its information. They can direct it to a response line, an FTP or a website for more detailed information. I am on over 20 different industry lists this one has the most whiners. So if you have a problem with it get off the list. Then we will not have to hear you whine about anything that you dont like. The rest of us know how to move past things we dont like in life and not get so crazy. Joel Silverstein
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