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Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 07:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Todd <afn48281@af*.or*>
To: "Brown, Christopher" <techvid@ne*.co*>
cc: cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: advice please
Kris,
You still don't have the first clue about anything, do you?  Were you
dropped on your head too many times as a child or are you just doing too
many drugs?

If you want to protect caves, simply turn everything you find over to the
wkpp.  Everything we have exclusive access to becomes protected.  We have
over 20 sights that we alone have access to and they are never dove unless
there is a reason.  Unlike you and your crew, we do not dive for fun and
profit.  We dive for a reason, science or data collection for one of the
three universities or four government agencies we are involved with.

I suspect that the sights you have discovered will only involve minimal
involvement from the wkpp.  If they are sinks, it should not take more than
two days, one day upstream and one day downstream, to wall them out.  Then
they are shut down and remain protected.  All information will be collected,
the owners will be satisfied and the job will be done.

Leave cave diving to the pros.  Nobody gets hurt, especially the cave.

JT


 On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Brown, Christopher wrote:

> george -- you said:
> 
> >3), you all hide cave and do not survey or provide any useful
> >service, unless you are paid for it, and then you fuck it up completely
> >because
> >you are all strokes.
> 
> Can you give me some useful advice about protecting this resource, the sink
> that would be overrun by every diver in the neighborhood?  I'm not hiding
> it from anyone who needs the info to help make our case for proper resource
> management and you know that.I'm not hiding it from anyone who's
> responsible about property rights or privacy either. In fact I've shared it
> with friends who I know well enough to have such confidence in and invited
> divers more qualified than I and my dive buddies to do the deep stuff.
> 
>  But I certainly can't afford to put up a 12 ft. fence, alarm system, and
> spotlights. The owners are as interested in all this fascinating cave
> business as you and I are, and are not of the Kurtin mode, not to worry.
> They simply have no idea how bad traffic, damage, etc. can get at a known
> sink and their privacy would be really threatened. and I don't want them to
> find out the hard way. Any thoughtful and practical would be welcomed and
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Christopher A. Brown
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