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Mailer-daemon@ao*.co* wrote: > > The mail you sent could not be delivered to: > 550 diverdf@ao*.co* is not a known user > > The text you sent follows: > > >From anscott@ne*.ns*.co*.au* Tue Sep 24 07:25:47 1996 > Return-Path: anscott@ne*.ns*.co*.au* > Received: from zen.kr.com (kr.com [204.96.46.12]) by emin27.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA23461; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:25:39 -0400 > Received: from wizard.pn.com (wizard.pn.com [204.96.36.2]) by zen.kr.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA20047 for <cavers@ge*.co*>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:19:15 -0400 > Received: from netspace.nspace.com.au (root@ne*.ns*.co*.au* [203.21.107.1]) by wizard.pn.com (8.6.12) with ESMTP > id HAA01289 for <cavers@ge*.co*>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:21:36 -0400 > Received: from myhost.nspace.com.au ([203.21.107.126]) by netspace.nspace.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA04795; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:19:21 +1000 > Message-ID: <3247C3A4.610D@ma*.ns*.co*.au*> > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:19:00 +1000 > From: Scott Leimroth <anscott@ns*.co*.au*> > Reply-To: anscott@ns*.co*.au* > Organization: South Pacific Divers Club Inc. > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: gmiiii@in*.co* > CC: HBAInterA@ao*.co*, techdiver@terra.net, cavers@ge*.co* > Subject: Re: Figure deco on the fly was Re: Fwd: Real Life Scare > References: <199609231128.EAA29395@m2*.in*.co*> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > gmiiii@in*.co* wrote: > > > > Jess, to make it easy, use this shortcut: compare tables on the dive you are > > doing ( I do not know your gasses). Notice the relationship between the stops > > and between the bottom times - you will see that, like most decay curves , the > > points , or stops , are related very much like a Fibonnacci sequence. Take the > > relationship of your bottom time to your 20 foot stop - this will depend on > > depth and intermediate gases ( if you are using 130 aed and 1.4 ppo2, with 1.6 > > max ppo2 for each deco switch ) and use that ratio to determine your 20 foot > > stop. You then take the next Fib number up for your ten foot stop and reverse > > the sequence from 20 feet for the other stops. At 1, do that for the next four > > stops. This is a riot , as it looks like a Bulmann model with deep stops. > > > > Or, since you will have lots of time on your hands, do the rough > > approximations of the calculations - see Decompression, Decompression Sickness, > > and translate it from the German, or just look at the formulas (they are in > > math). > > > > When I went to Central Florida to take my cave divin', the goobers taught me > > this, including the German and the math. > > > > Here is an example of a Wakulla dive : 285 for 60 (air form 190, 35 from > > 120, 50 from 70 , and oxy from 20. 14X47 bottom mix: > > > > 60 bottom time equates to about 55 at 20, so the ten foot stop is 89 > > minutes. The 30 is therefor 34, the 40 is 21, the 50 is 13, the 60 is 8, the 70 > > is 5, the 80 is 3, the 90 is 2, the 100 is 1, 110 for 1, 120 for 1, 130 for 1. I > > would then pad them to what I know is correct, which is to pick up the air at > > 190 at start breathing that up in one minute increments to the 120 stop, where I > > wold spend a few minutes before resuming. I would also do all of the 10 and 20 > > at 20, or all three at 30 if there is a way to get out of the water. > > > > At any rate, you can take this sequence and pad it up after finding the > > basic numbers, and it will be so close to the actual calculation that you may > > never need tables again., or at least not be worrying about overstaying your > > bottom time, or understaying it. You just have to know what the basic deco > > looks like for different depths and mixes, or what you like to do for deco. > > > > If I know that an hour at 300 is basicly a five hour deco, I can also > > work out a schedule. In our case, as we approach the flat part of the ongassing > > curve, incremental additions to bottom time no longer translate into equal > > chunks of addditional deco, but bvery little more at all, and almost no change > > in the oxygen portion. > > > > Where you must be accurate to a degree is where you go from dives that > > really require no deco, like 300 for 10 minutes, to dives that mandate it, like > > 300 for 27 minutes , for example. There is a huge difference between 300 for > > 15-18 minutes and 300 for 22-30 minutes. From 30 to 60 is pretty linear, and > > then above that it shrinks progressively per bottom time increment. > > > > I have done every bottom time in this range repeatedly, and am sure of > > these facts in practice. It is amazing what the human body can tolerate. Deco is > > your friend if you shape it right, it will hurt you if do not. If you do too > > much, you are hurting yourself. If you need to do too much, don't dive. > > > > George M. Irvine III > > DIR WKPP > > 1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316 > > 954-493-6655 FAX 6698 > > Email gmiiii@in*.co* > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. > > Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. > > Or, since you will have lots of time on your hands, do the rough > approximations of the calculations - see Decompression, Decompression > Sickness, > and translate it from the German, or just look at the formulas (they are > in > math). Please explain. Thanks George I have been making up my own deco stops but just by feel and experience and not mathematically like this. They are similar but this is usefull for decompressions you are not familiar with. You are the font of all knowledge George, or at leats that which we need. Thanks again, Scott
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