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From: J Shepherd <jms@ta*.ed*.ac*.uk*>
Subject: Re: Pony-bottle rigging
To: RLatulip@ao*.co*
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 96 15:43:51 BST
> Friday, Aug 23, 1996   07:58 AM
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>                                How Ya Doin'  jms@ta*.ed*.ac*.uk*
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> >> Why in the world would you need a 30 cuft pony attached to you for general
> >> recreational type open water diving??? 
> >> Ray LaTulippe
> 
> 
> >	Do the sums; if you want the pony to be a managed bailout rather
> >than a rather exotic blow and go (Martin Baker style) then you add the
> >sums up. Unless you're a WKPP approved gas diver the chances are that
> >your air consumption will go up under any circumstances involving
> >switching to a pony, and since it's managed, I would intend to leave the
> >water with the ponies' 25% reserve intact. Works out a 4l @ 207 bar
> >doesn't get you too far. (4l ~ 30cuft? 2~13cuft which isn't worth spit,
> >the money or the hassle).
> 
	This is information.

> >	Alex, this is techdiver not cavers, piss off. To a lot of
> >recreational divers, using a pony *is* tech, and this is the first stop
> >they come to. Stop being a dickhead.
> 
> >	Jason
> 
> This was meant as a leading question to get more information as I have no
> intent of informing an open water diver (not knowing his level of training)
> on how to rig a pony which could lead him into more trouble. He can in fact
> contact George (WKPP) or one of the Technical agencies if he wishes to learn
> the correct way.
> 
	I may disagree with your attitude to the dissemination of
information, but that is not the issue here; the guy asked a question
(you) I answered it.

> As for Alex go get BENT the guy asked a serious question and all you come
> back with is a jerk-off attitude. You must realize that there are others hear
> that are just starting out and we can grab them and teach them the correct
> way!
> 
	Alex didn't ask the original question; Alex Paul posted saying
that this was techdiver and quesries about pony bottles should be on
rec.scuba.

	A lot of people on rec.scuba think that pony bottles shouldn't
be on rec.scuba. They will come to techdiver to ask the questions,
because as I said, to some people ponies are tech and that's what this
is for, isn't it?
	
	I agree with your attitude completely; you are doing to me what
I was doing to paul - ticking him off for being a snob.

	Sorry for the confusion.

> As for George I have met him and found him very likable, he has a lot of
> responsibility and a lot of people to look over and care for and he will
> continue to pound his way into all of your heads.  My whole group is moving
> over to the WKPP way of diving but first we have to slowly getting rid of the
> old gear that we were originally sold on. George I was the diver on the Reef
> Cat who brought the drowned girl up from 170' and now she is walking around
> talking about it. Jim Mimms was her instructor and Ralph Fenton (who you
> switched over) was mine.  Hope to see you sometime in the near future to go
> over the gear. And thanks for the work you do!
> 
	I'm not likely to meet George but I have no problem with him;
he's words on a screen, and some (though not enough) are very
interesting. fair enough, he's a busy man, and obviously doing it for
real, so is not going to have time to waste here being nice to people.

	I assume you bring him up because I mentioned WKPP - fair
enough; as giiii has said himself, he depends on knowing exactly what
his gas consumption is, and that it will stay the same whatever the
situation. I can't. Not many people can. 

> 
> Later friend!,  ~ 
> 
	Sure; let's stay that way. And let's keep being polite about
basic questions (Alex).

> {Ray LaTulippe}           
>                                
> 
	Jason
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