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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:35:30 -0700
From: "George M. Irvine III" <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Cave Diving Records
To: cavers@ge*.co*, techdiver@terra.net
	
  Somebady asked about cave diving records, and so I checked, and came up with 
the following:

  Olivier Isler holds the record for the furthest penetration from air at
13,303 
feet. . Jarrod Jablonski and Todd Kincaid of WKPP hold the US record at 11,000. 
Exley used to have it at 10,800 feet. The "traverse" record is held by Bill 
Gavin , Bill Main , Lamar English, and Parker Turner of WKPP at 8,700 feet (at 
220), and the distance at depth record is held by George Irvine, Jarrod 
Jablonski and Brent Scarabin at 10,000 feet at 285 feet of depth (at Wakulla 
Springs) - the previous records, all held by combinations of the same guys 
plus 
Casey McKinlay and Rick Sankey, all occured in the same systems - (Leon or 
Wakulla).  The traverse record will be broken soon at 13,800 feet by the same 
people minus English and Turner, whenever we get around to going in at Big 
Dismal and getting out at Cheryl. The actual purpose of this dive will be to 
highlight the fact that what goes down the drain in Leon county can very well 
end up as tapwater in Wakulla County.  The long deep dives are not record 
attempts but exploration in Leon Sinks and Wakulla Springs. The use of the term 
record must date back to before this kind of diving became routine for WKPP, 
several years ago when they all went out and bought running shoes.The ends of 
the systems are all open right now, and exploration continues. Maybe some of
you 
"personal preference" types should give it a try  - yeah, right.

    Maybe your guy who is claiming that a weenie dive of 6,000 in a shallow
sump 
is a record is making a separate category for dry-wet-dry cave, and has the 
longest penetration between two airbells, or longest penetration with no arms
or 
legs,  but this is the same as two sinkholes, and I think the European stuff
may 
in fact have both.

    By the way, the open circuit records are all held by the WKPP, while
Isler's 
record was set on a semi-closed rebreather, not that this would in any way 
diminish his exploration, and certainly I personally would argue that Isler has 
a bigger set than me for just using this device in the fist place. I choose to 
do two hours in the pool and on the track every day after work, he choses his 
method - maybe I will add mine to his and give him something to look forward to 
trying. 

   We could adjust for depth, in which case we went twice as far as he did, but 
then that is not the issue . We could also adjust Leon Sinks for depth and call 
it one million relative (to Dos Ojos) feet of cave, but then we will be 
satisfied in both records to just see what happens. We do have the longest US 
underwater cave system at nearly 90,000 feet, but our average depth is ten
times 
the Mexican stuff, and the sinkholes are a little further apart, as in miles 
futher. 

  If we pick up Wakulla or Indian into the system, we will be right up with 
Hohoch, and then Mike will have to buy me sushi. If the systems gets and stays 
clear long enough and if the strokes and useless parasites in the cave diving 
community will survey and give us data, instead of putting in weenie lines and 
scurrying away , we could easiy surpass all size records, and maybe with our 
present team of 80 (eighty) divers we can go back and pick all of this stuff up.


George M. Irvine III
DIR WKPP
1400 SE 11 ST Ft Lauderdale, FL 33316
954-493-6655 FAX 6698
Email gmiiii@in*.co*

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