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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:55:20 -0700
From: George Irvine <gmiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Re: Silent Majority-Cheers!
To: SpeloDiver@ao*.co*, Techdiver@terra.net
Cc: Cavers@ge*.co*

  No-name person:

      Go ahead and use your real name - do not be afraid to badmouth me - I 
won't let you dive anyway. WKPP has closed its doors , and anyone who has not 
trained with the team already is not welcome. 

      We have 80 (eighty) people on our permits, and all of these people 
contribute to our goals. We have the permits, the equipment, the sponsorship, 
and the money. We have and get nothing from the cave-diving community, nor do
we 
expect anything . Do not expect anything from us that does not suit our goals
or 
understanding and protecting the resources.

      If you are a dumb redneck, or just a weenie, go ahead and post all of the 
stupidity you please - we don't care. Most of our people are no longer on these 
lists (you idiots ran Bill Gavin, the single most knowledgeable guy in the 
business, off of here in about two weeks). Casey lasted one week, JJ never got 
on anything but Freeattic, and the rest of our divers and engineers have 
altogether left everything but our own internal list - good job. When the last 
two or three of us leave, you will be free to speculate about things you do not 
understand, unfettered by reality.  

       Why do you think that guys like Bill Deans and Bill Hamilton are only on 
Freeattic instead of here? Why do you think that five rebreather engineers are 
on freeattic and none on here? Why is is that the best foreign cave divers are 
on the WKPP list and communicate there, but we never see them here? Why is it 
that one day of the freeattic list is like reading Bennett and Elliot on 
steroids?    --- The answer is that there are no idiots (like you) on
Freeattic, 
they are all on here.

       What you are noticing is that we just do not respond to you dopes 
anymore. We don't need to - we have already won the war. We have so many people 
trained by us , so many films out there, so many instructors teaching our 
methods, and have set the standards for most of the agencies for mixed gas 
diving and gear config, that what you idiots preach is ignored other than by 
those who do not mind doing it wrong and looking like strokes.

        Rather than waste my time with ignorant , resentful, know-nothings , I 
have focused on the training people, and will work with them instead. New
people 
will end up seeing that our methods are far safer and superior - the track 
record speaks for itself. I will even personally teach this stuff myself if it 
helps to erradicate the studitiy that you and your shiverring little wimp 
buddies propagate. We are writing our own books on this sport to go with our 
tapes and gear. JJ is doing that. We are working with cave divers in other 
countries to get our ideas out there where some good can be done, and
scientific 
research can be conducted on an ongoing basis, and these resources protected
and 
preserved - something you useless parasites know nothing about.

        You clowns only know how to look like dopes, smoke dope, drink beer, be 
huge fat , pontificating slobs who strut around at the weenie sites or on the 
weenie tech boats and talk about the diving you never did. You are dangerous 
idiots, at best. 

        Let's look at the score: we have all of the permits, all of the best 
divers, all of the biggest dives in cave diving. We build the best equipment,
we 
have shared the most information, we do the seminars, make the films, support 
the scientific community and involve the most professionals. We produce the
hard 
to get results. We set the standards and the pace - PERIOD.      

         What have you ever done? When any of you who constantly badger me or 
the WKPP can even imagine the skill it takes to do what I do, I will personally 
kiss your ass on stage a the next NACD seminar.

         Now go ahead and feel free to talk about how to do it wrong - it won't 
work - both you and everyone else knows the score, or you would not have
written 
that slobbery in the first place.

          If you want to criticize me, you need to be able to take the pebble 
first - good luck it is getting heavier and I am getting faster




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