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At 07:18 PM 7/2/96 +0000, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, >> >> Dennis wrote >> >> > >i belive it will come out.. but not for a year or two, and you are right, >it will sell.. but very unfortunately will not sustain it's self as the >market will just not be there. > >It will be out this fall, > >> In addition the UT 240 anothet $15,000.00 unit is being delivered as we >> speak and it has been well received. >> > >this unit was at uh last month. it has many parts that do not exist yet, >as with the other ut units.. three have already been delivered in working order and these units also have been evolving over the years of work stuart Clough has done on them. > >> The UT 180 100 meter unit complete with dive computers etc for $6,500.00 is >> suppossed to be available within a couple of weeks. >> >> The inspiration fully closed 100 meter system is to be delivered within a 3 >> months it will retail for under $4,000.00 US but does not have a deco computer. >> >don't know anything about this one except the word is that this will be an >untested unit (as all others except the bio marine... we added it up last >night over dinner.. the bio marine et al has 3.5 million man hours on >them, the only other unit out there with any time on it is the cis lunar, >now rich help me here, we tried to be somewhat accurate but we were >guessing on alot of course.. there were nine units built, one for spares >and eight to make four totally redundant units, these were broken into >separate units, i know where four are, that leaves four more, but most >likely only one or two of those are working. now lets say each has put >around a hundred hours a year on them (rich has over a hundred by now, >mark thrulow and marty both put about a hundred hours on theirs in one >year), they have been around for how long? six, seven, oh hell, lets say >ten years.. thats eight units times 100 hours times ten years... that's >8000 hours.. ok so i'm off a little one way or the other... but 8000 as >compaired to 3.5 mil, you get the picture.) > The inspirtation has been dived by David for the past three years. So it does have a reasonable amount of time on it . >> I'm diving the updated version of what was the odessey this weekend and >> should have mine back withthe next two weeks as soon as the additional >> request I have are incoporated into it. >> >momma always told me, if you can't say anything good about something dont >say anything at all. Oh Dennis as semi closed goes this is about as good as it gets > >> We are conducting training programs on the UT 240 and 180 in August and also >> on the updated odessey which will be sporting a new name and totally >> different look. In Sept i will offer a class on the inspiration if all goes >> as planned. This depends on AP Valve and David. >> >> Billy Deans, Kevin gurr and I will conduct a cis lunar course in the fall. >> Each participant has purchased a unit. >> > >i wouldlove to have one of these units, honest, but i would have to give >up my wife's bmw, or my cbr900rr, or sell my son.. now i might sell my son >but the other two are out of the question. this is also themarket i have >placed myself in (scientific), but i do not see anymoney being made here >nore many units being sold.. again a very sad thing.. and one thing for >sure is that i am thru working for free... > >dp > > >> I look forward to seeing the ccr500, I have every confidence it will be an >> outstanding unit. I have been privedledged to dive it's predessors and was >> happy with them including the orginal ccr1000. >> >> Really looks like things are picking up in this direction. >> Tom >> At 08:30 PM 7/1/96 +0000, you wrote: >> >come one guys, lets keep this fun, that's what we are here for, i actualy >> >agree with some of what you both say.. >> > >> >one thing i do know for sure tho.. there is no unit out there that >> >compares to the cis lunar .. period. if you have not dived one you will >> >know that the first five minutes you are in the water... BUT , they are >> >not here, and they are going to be to expensive for the market. that is >> >sad cuz it would be nice to have them avaliable. rich, i will be >> >suprized when i see this happen.. i will also be elated. i'll also be sad >> >cuz i won't be able to buy one. :-) too much money.. >> > >> >rod there is no breathing resistance on the cis lunar.. no matter what >> >attitude you are diving.. none, ziltch, zero.. it's totally amazing. of >> >course i will take my 500 and put the pierce upgrade kit bcd with counter >> >lungs on the sholders and be flying right next to rich... :-) the deco >> >computer.. well we are working on that.. and it looks good, and it doesn't >> >look too far away either. >> > >> >dp >> > >> > >> > >> >On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Richard Pyle wrote: >> > >> >> Rod, >> >> >> >> Getting a bit sensative? >> >> >> >> > Rich, another "real thing", in addition to the CCR155- the CCR500 is in >> >> > production now, so getting the real thing will be no problem. Since the >> >> > Cis Lunar will not be entering the marketplace as a commercial venture- >> >> > all deposits have been returned I am told- >> >> >> >> You were told wrong. The only deposits that were returned were to people >> >> who put down money in the UK. They still have my deposit, and many >> >> others. My last email from Bill Stone about progress on the Mk5 was 37 >> >> minutes ago. Yesterday morning I spent an hour on the phone with Richard >> >> Nordstrom. All lights are green with Cis-Lunar, and they won't be will >> >> be building, training, and selling this Fall. You are right; the Mk4 >> >> (prototype) which I have been using for the past two years is a museum >> >> piece (a "work of art" might be a better description). When you get a >> >> chance to dive with the Mk5 (maybe next summer Kevin, McKenney, you and I >> >> can get together?), you will want one too. >> >> >> >> > it is clear that the value of >> >> > your two units should increase as museum pieces. >> >> >> >> They are not my units - they belong to Cis-Lunar. Like I said, I agree >> >> they are Museum pieces, and a Museum is where they belong. >> >> >> >> > In retrospect, having >> >> > two units sent to you was a good move since spare parts are likely to be >> >> > limited. >> >> >> >> Non-existant for the Mk4 - there were nine built; there will never be >> >> another built. The Mk5 is the future, and it is a much better machine. >> >> >> >> > The real test of whether the Cis-Lumar has whithered on the vine >> >> > as a commercial reality will be your response to this post. If your >> >> > response contains phrases like "yes, the deposits have been returned, but >> >> > Cis-Lunar now has financing" >> >> >> >> Only a few people who put their deposits in the UK have had them returned. >> >> >> >> > or "I've been told by Bill that they will be >> >> > in production in (date)" >> >> >> >> September 1996. >> >> >> >> > or "I'm not going to say any more about when the >> >> > unit will be available" >> >> >> >> Nope - I've already said it. >> >> >> >> > or "they are working on the Mark (V, VI, VII) and >> >> > I am told that it will be in production by (date) >> >> >> >> They call it the "MK-5P", and as I already said, September 1996. >> >> >> >> >, or "cut me some slack, >> >> > time will tell", >> >> >> >> I don't need any slack - my affiliation with them is almost exactly the >> >> same as your affiliation with BioMarine (as far as I understand your >> >> affiliation with BioMarine); that is, I have absolutely no financial >> >> involvement, nor official position with them whatsoever. I've merely >> >> used their rebreather for two years, have given them some suggestions for >> >> improvement, and wish them the best of luck as a company because they are >> >> my friends and because I want them to survive as a company. It's my >> >> understanding that this describes exactly your relationship with >> >> BioMarine. You and I are just users; we provide information when it is >> >> available because we are in contact with the respective companies, and we >> >> stamp out bullshit when it starts to flood the list. >> >> >> >> >> >> > then Cis-Lunar has truly reached the level of >> >> > astrovaporware. >> >> >> >> My friend on Maui sent in his deposit for a BioMarine something like 8 >> >> months ago. He was just rained recently. He had to return his unit >> >> because it was delivered with no power switch and incorect gas plumbing. >> >> I don't know if he even has it back yet. That sounds like astrovaporware >> >> to me. >> >> >> >> > I will say, in all fairness to you, that I have enjoyed >> >> > the many safety features and ease of operation of diving the unit on >> >> > techdiver- to date there have been no accidents with the unit on here. >> >> >> >> Likewise for you and the stiched together bailout bottles, Dive Tracker, >> >> etc. >> >> >> >> > I >> >> > did receive a press report about a merger between Cis Lunar and Oddessey >> >> > to produce the Cisoddest Lunacy. Tell me that was just a joke. >> >> >> >> I'd like to see that one - sounds like it must have been pretty funny. >> >> >> >> Rich >> >> >> >> P.S. I thought my message to Kevin (below) was intended to be private, but >> >> apparently it was forwarded to Techdiver. Did you forward it, or was it >> >> my goof? >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Richard Pyle wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > Kevin, >> >> > > >> >> > > > Once in the water, you have to remember that these units are NOT like >> >> > > > scuba tanks (i.e. nice and round) - they are big and square and >> FLAT on the >> >> > > > back. This might sound like a moot (notice I got the word right) >> point, >> >> > > > until you are in a current. You've now got a friggin sail on your back >> >> > > > that the current just loves to plane off of. Now concentrate on >> keeping >> >> > > > close to the anchor line, while making sure you watch no less than 4 >> >> > > > gauges/displays (5 if you count a dive computer in there) while >> >> > > > decompressing - all of a sudden, open circuit starts to look >> quaint... >> >> > > > >> >> > > > When you look at it that way, rebreathers start to lose some of their >> >> > > > romance. >> >> > > >> >> > > Sell that antiquated contraption and buy the real thing - it will bring >> >> > > the romance back to rebreather diving - even more than heliox does - >> >> > > I promise! ;-) >> >> > > >> >> > > Rich >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >> >> > > Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >> >> Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >> >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >> > >> > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. >Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >
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