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Subject: Re: Deep Nitrox Again?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 96 08:11:59 -0700
From: Harold Gartner <hgartner@ra*.or*>
To: "J Shepherd" <jms@ta*.ed*.ac*.uk*>, "Tech. Diver" <techdiver@terra.net>
>
>	I'm surprised that waivers are binding, as I'd always operated
>on the priciple that you couldn't sign away someone's duty of care to
>you.

In California one can now, under the current case law, waive actions for 
himself and his heirs based upon general negligence; generally the case 
law uses the doctrine of assumption of the risk and applies general 
contract law to come to this conclusion.  There aren't alot of cases on 
point here, but at least one that I recall does involve diving.
>	I'm very worried about lawsuits working on the prinicple that
>only one guy gets back, or no-one does, and all the information about
>what actually happened is hearsay or extrapolation. What happens in
>these cases. My own feeling is that as I can, I'll take my own
>responsibility and remain silent unless *I* feel that a criminal act has
>occurred, which may occur again. (NB, I mean I won't call my lawyer -
>I'll speak up *to divers* about bad divers, but that's our business as
>divers).
I agree, often what happened or really happened is a matter of sheer 
speculation although many mistakes can be identified.  I've lost two 
fellow divers in the last year or so.  One on his first night dive in the 
shallows, the other, an experienced diver, at 300fsw at a site known as 
the "Matterhorn".  I also knew Darren Douglass and both he and his son 
died in an accident on the USS MOODY last summer. Yet another fellow that 
I knew took a spinal hit in Hawaii and is still in a wheelchair. I've 
made posts about some of these accidents in the past and in ever case 
from what we KNOW multiple mistakes, often stupid mistakes, were made.  
No lawsuits have come out of any of these accidents.

However, I've begun to seriously consider having my dive buddies sign a 
mutal release which I'll also sign just so there's never any question 
later.  Have the form made up, but haven't decided to use it and hope 
that it'll never be required.
>	I sincerely hope that the litigious society doesn't make it over
>here; we have enough to contend with without that. 
>
>	BTW I hope you weren't put out by the lawyer comment; it's
>traditional IME to finish on a flippant note on public posts. Sort of
>equivalent to a smiley, but without referring to the whole post.
Are you kidding, us sharks have far, far, far thicher skin.  Besides with 
this post and the other one, I've got my heat shield up for the flames 
that will be coming!!!  Let er rip, George!!
>	Cheers,
>
>	Jason
>


Harold H. Gartner III
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