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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:46:04 -0700
To: techdiver@terra.net
From: bmk@ds*.bc*.ca* (Barrie Kovish)
Subject: Re: Physiologic safety parameters for S
Cc: heseltin@hs*.us*.ed*
The following only applies to semiclosed circuit constant mass flow
rebreathers.

>>  I wrote:
>>
>> Bennet&Elliot quote 3 l/m with a potential maximum of 6 l/m.  I personaly
have
>> done over 2 l/m on a land test.

>Peter wrote:
>
>This seems an extraordinary number. The usual computation is around 300cc
>*O2* per meter2 body surface at rest. Even allowing that you can raise you
>use with excercise, are you sure this isn't a total gas flow rate i.e.,
>Qs?

The 3-6 liters/minute represents metabolic O2 consumption not flow rate.
Bennet & Elliot recommend the use of the 3 l/m figure when computing FiO2 
for a semiclosed constant mass flow rebreather.  From memory Drager 
recommends 2 l/m for it's military rebreathers.  I think the US Navy used
3 l/m for the old Emerson Mark VI semiclosed units.  I'm not sure but
doesn't the Fieno use 2 l/m?  Anyone know the figure for the Atlantis I?  
The 6 l/m figure is an exteem.  I can't remember the conditions maybe 
cross country skiing while being chased by a polar bear.

>Peter also wrote:
>
>3.  The MOD of the unit is the MOD of the gas (nitrox) supply, using a
>maximal pPO2 of 1.4 ATA.

Interesting Drager seems to have no problem with exceeding the MOD of the 
supply gas for both their military and recreation breathers.  I have US Navy
documentation recommending both exceeding the MOD of the supply gas and not
exceeding the MOD of the supply gas.  The more conservative limit is the
newest.  

>4.  The EAD is calculated by assuming the FiO2 the at the MOD is
>calculated by subtracting *maximal* O2 consumption (2L O2/min)
>from the operational FiO2 (i.e., not including the contribution of any
>override) at the MOD, with all remaining gas considered nitrogen.

The cool thing is if you have a Bridge II and are running 8 l/m and 50%
you can use the Bridge idiot mode for both O2 and deco calculations. 

>11. The effort of work breathing should not result in a positive end
>expiratory pressure (PEEP) of greater than 3 cms of water.

I wonder what happens with the Drager LAR V.  I would expect the front
mounted counter lung has a lot more than 3 cms of water PEEP.

>However PEEP will tire the heck out of you and does weird
>things to gas exchange and may (consequently) significantly increase O2
>lung toxicity.

Do you have references to the lung toxicity effects of elevated PEEP?

Barrie

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