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   Brendan - the reasons I said we don't use the posieden seconds (we do use
the 
   Odin first)not in any special order:

    1 - proprietary hose fittings

    2 - upstream valve

    3 - requires pressure relief valve because of number 2

    4 - hose come only in certain lengths, takes too long and too much to get  
        custom lengths

    5  - reg fills with water when not is use , must be purged and cleared      
        before handing off to an out of air diver 

    6  - reg breaths water when scootering or in a current - must be taped to   
         work properly 

    7 -  the little valve takes a set if left in the "minus" position

    8 -  can not be opened underwater to clear stuff out or fixed

    9 -  I walked into a gay bar one time by accident and everyone had one

    10 - it is a sign of the techie stroke, like having one of those cheap      
         BMW's, or a girlfriend with fake tits - something only a storke would  
         do

    11 - like I said, it is a piece of shit . However, the first stage is my    
        favorite all time reg, and I use them with G-250 or Beuchat VX 10, and
I 
        don't care about the ice nonsense - for those who can control their
regs 
        and their breathing , this is not a problem .

    

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