Ya know, this list really is degenerating. I'm surprised someone hasn't said that DIN was developed because of tech. diver's tendencies to screw the point of the yoke screw thru the valve post when they are planning on scooter slamming! The one-liner reasons for this or that make me think of the guys who are trying to impress you with half-truths, but can't explain the whole picture 'cause they don't know it. For those who know, sorry for the bandwidth, but I just can't stand these half-answers. If there are other good arguments for why DIN, please chime in. I could use some more ammo for beating up the ignorant filler who complains about having to learn how to screw an adapter in. Honestly guys, DIN comes from a German acronym. The D is stands for Deutsche as in German for GERMAN. DIN is such a better design than yolk that I'm told the yolk valve that came on my 3300 PSI Aluminum tank is unsafe due to the high pressure and resulting forces applied. I have replaced it for the reasons I'm stating below, not because it failed. Anyway as for why people use DIN vs. the yoke even for lower pressure tanks, it isn't just because they don't break when folks bash them into the cave ceiling. The captured o-ring design and securing mechanism is simply superior regardless of the CGA standards for what pressure you can use what with. Go thru the archives and you will find that the discussion was held regarding the o-ring on a yoke tank being subject to abuse when handling tanks vs. the DIN o-ring nicely tucked away in the regulator bag. Also think of the times yolk o-rings get cut when the regulator isn't positioned correctly before the screw clamp is applied. Now think of that big screw knob sticking out waiting to grab on to everything it can find like fishing line, cable, nets, cave and wreck ceilings, kelp, etc. If you do happen to hit something with the DIN Valve, you can position most regulators such that the valve post will take the knock instead of the reg. Also, you won't have to worry about hitting the screw on the yolk clamp with a DIN as you don't have one. That assumes that you only misjudged the ceiling height or current a little bit. If you do happen to hit the reg. that is right next to your head, the captured o-ring is *gasp* securely CAPTURED so you don't loose your seal in the event of a really good hard scooter slam or other hard knocks. Please note George's post on the Sherwood slant on valves and manifolds as being a short sided attempt to do something. It basically put's the reg as a bad angle for impacts both from in-water and out of water stuff. The shaft of the DIN wheel will break easier on typical "oops my tank fell over with the reg attached". Also the angle tends to contribute to the valve socket being deformed when it hits the sides of pickups/boats/etc. in transit. So, not all "DIN" are created equal. Look up the differences between 200 bar DIN and 300 bar. I'm tired of typing. It doesn't take too many bad/cut o-rings, aborted dives, and near-death experiences till folks start wanting to use a better mouse trap. Tech divers are generally better educated about gear, and take their diving more seriously regarding risk analysis, so the better design is usually chosen. The additional cost is minor compared to your life or a bad case of the bends. So now you know what I have taken the time to post. Make your own decision.--DD David Drake EDS/SATURN Infrastructure 8-320-4190 on GMnet Spring Hill, TN USA Internet: saturn.ddrake05@gm*.co*
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