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From: <SATURN.DDRAKE05@gm*.co*>
To: "techdiver(a)terra.net" <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: DIN-da-doo-de
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 23:37:20 -0400

     Ya know, this list really is degenerating.  I'm surprised someone
     hasn't said that DIN was developed because of tech. diver's tendencies
     to screw the point of the yoke screw thru the valve post when they are
     planning on scooter slamming!  The one-liner reasons for this or that
     make me think of the guys who are trying to impress you with
     half-truths, but can't explain the whole picture 'cause they don't
     know it.

     For those who know, sorry for the bandwidth, but I just can't stand
     these half-answers.  If there are other good arguments for why DIN,
     please chime in.  I could use some more ammo for beating up the
     ignorant filler who complains about having to learn how to screw an
     adapter in.

     Honestly guys, DIN comes from a German acronym.  The D is stands for
     Deutsche as in German for GERMAN.

     DIN is such a better design than yolk that I'm told the yolk valve
     that came on my 3300 PSI Aluminum tank is unsafe due to the high
     pressure and resulting forces applied.  I have replaced it for the
     reasons I'm stating below, not because it failed.

     Anyway as for why people use DIN vs. the yoke even for lower pressure
     tanks, it isn't just because they don't break when folks bash them
     into the cave ceiling. The captured o-ring design and securing
     mechanism is simply superior regardless of the CGA standards for what
     pressure you can use what with.

     Go thru the archives and you will find that the discussion was held
     regarding the o-ring on a yoke tank being subject to abuse when
     handling tanks vs. the DIN o-ring nicely tucked away in the regulator
     bag.  Also think of the times yolk o-rings get cut when the regulator
     isn't positioned correctly before the screw clamp is applied.  Now
     think of that big screw knob sticking out waiting to grab on to
     everything it can find like fishing line, cable, nets, cave and wreck
     ceilings, kelp, etc.

     If you do happen to hit something with the DIN Valve, you can position
     most regulators such that the valve post will take the knock instead
     of the reg.  Also, you won't have to worry about hitting the screw on
     the yolk clamp with a DIN as you don't have one.  That assumes that
     you only misjudged the ceiling height or current a little bit.  If you
     do happen to hit the reg. that is right next to your head, the
     captured o-ring is *gasp* securely CAPTURED so you don't loose your
     seal in the event of a really good hard scooter slam or other hard
     knocks.  Please note George's post on the Sherwood slant on valves and
     manifolds as being a short sided attempt to do something.  It
     basically put's the reg as a bad angle for impacts both from in-water
     and out of water stuff.  The shaft of the DIN wheel will break easier
     on typical "oops my tank fell over with the reg attached".  Also the
     angle tends to contribute to the valve socket being deformed when it
     hits the sides of pickups/boats/etc. in transit.  So, not all "DIN"
     are created equal.  Look up the differences between 200 bar DIN and
     300 bar.  I'm tired of typing.

     It doesn't take too many bad/cut o-rings, aborted dives, and
     near-death experiences till folks start wanting to use a better mouse
     trap.  Tech divers are generally better educated about gear, and take
     their diving more seriously regarding risk analysis, so the better
     design is usually chosen.  The additional cost is minor compared to
     your life or a bad case of the bends.  So now you know what I have
     taken the time to post.  Make your own decision.--DD

     David Drake             EDS/SATURN Infrastructure 8-320-4190 on GMnet
     Spring Hill, TN  USA    Internet: saturn.ddrake05@gm*.co*


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