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Rich -- So Tres recognizes that Heinzl's post was nothing but an intentionally misleading, diversionary, never-substantiated,lousy lie? No shit. One intended to discredit, malign, cause a boycott and interfere with potential sponsors and the business relationships (ie, the livliehood) of divers who, just like anyone else out here, would also like to explore in a public place? Goodness! I haven't seen either one recant, retract, or attempt to set the record straight though. Carl did say that accusing Wes was wrong. That's 33% of the accused. Not a real good credibility level. Diving thirds are we? Hey y'all list readers, I'm confused here: *Who* are the sleaze bags in all this? Opinions? Fact is, there's no motivation/purpose, in the first place, for Wak2 to discredit someone else who's already holding a permit, as you will see, if you can comprehend the ramifications of the following. Below is The Policy for permitting, as faxed to me from Wakulla Springs Park Manager. What it says is that parks can permit any number of divers/teams/projects -- all at the same time if they want to. Yours/anyone's getting permitted does not require getting WKPP's permit yanked first. Wak2 knows that. (And Tres knows that.) So why would Wak2 try to do what they were accused of? But many hip, in-the-know, list readers, with maturity and highly developed critical thinking skills, jumped up and down and all over Wak2, saying "Yeah -- what HE said!" How come y'all aren't as quick with apologies as you are with your (totally uninformed) mob mentality? Also -- there's no such thing as an exclusive -- or permanent -- permit. Another long-known, well-known fact -- but we keep seeing misleading (to put it politely) indications to the contrary. Why is that? WKPP's permit IS NOT exclusive -- and Wak2's won't be either. How 'bout "Can't stand the heat? Get out of the water!" Also -- Wakulla is a public place -- not a wreck you or I discovered, or private property that you or I negotiated for diving privileges and have first claim to. *Anyone* can apply to dive a normally-restricted state park -- and ought to be able to reasonably expect not to have low-lifes trying to slander them for doing so. Could've happened to any of us, just as it did to Wak2. How well do any of you fellow divers like that possibility? From Wakulla Springs itself, here's the REAL-EST STORY: "Wakulla Springs is a Florida State Park, held in trust for the citizens of the State of Florida and the United States. Within this park, diving activities are allowed by permit only. These research permits are issued by the Department of Environmental Protection, Division of Recreation and Parks (DRP). Permits issued to individuals or groups are "exclusive" only in that the permit holder has the discretion, still subject to approval by the agency, in choosing additional divers. DRP may issue as few or as many permits to dive as they deem necessary. All diving is ultimately at the discretion of and controlled by DRP staff and not the permitted individuals or groups. Permits can be revoked at any time. They can also be extended but are not unlimited in time or scope. Criteria for permits includes but is not limited to: there is a benefit to the state; the activity assist DRP in gaining scientific information about the ecology and history of the park; the data obtained can be used to better protect the resource; the activity provides positive public relations; the activity does not negatively impact the resources of the park; the activity does not interfere with the park operation, the quality of the experience expected by the park guest, or the health and safety of all persons on park property." For the micro-cephalics: *Anyone* can apply to dive at Wakulla Springs, or any other public place, at *anytime*. You've got just as much right take a whack at it as anyone. And anyone spreading lies about you , just for applying -- is douche bag. But stupid or useless concepts won't get very far. (It must have been my mask with the double snorkels and ping-pong ball check valves. It IS redundant though...) There's no such thing as an "exclusive" or unlimited permit in this or other State Parks. Someone who does hold a permit is *not* the ultimate controller over diving in a State Park -- no matter how much he wants to be. To be permitted does not require anyone else's permit to be revoked. So, unless you're just a total paranoid, another application shouldn't matter. Or perhaps it would -- if you're in dread fear of getting smoked by a technology you don't have. But then, of course, all rebreathers, and esp. the Cis-Lunar, are just junk -- cobbled together by charlatans -- on the garage floor. And everyone has been assured by the expert that if a couple guys work up something on their own, at home esp., then it ain't worth shit no-how. So much for the Wright Flyer, the demand-valve regulator, the AUL light, and the Gavin Scooter. Fact: several individuals or teams could have concurrent permits. Therefore, there is no necessity/motive for undermine a pre-existing permittee.And there is no "first come, first served" basis either -- no "qualification by chronology." Actual chronology: Stone was in Wakulla (legally, at least: with a permit) *before* WKPP(1987); Jenkins and Saltsman (1958) before Stone; and another gentleman was there, well before Jenkins and Saltsman,in the 1930's (See advert. photo: Technical Diving Video LIbrary, DeepTech). So, should everyone else, since, have to wait until the dude with the hard-hat feels like he's done? Regardless of new technology becoming available? Hardly."Running silent",eh? More like "running scared"? Myth: divers explore caves primarily due their great personal passion for environmental concerns. Fact: they explore submerged caves primarily *to explore*, testing themselves, their equipment, and their techniques. Environmental data is a valuable side benefit -- valuable enough for the state to put up with some real ass-holery sometimes. BTW, if you're *really* in it to help the environment, how can you be against the possibility of someone learning more than you have? Fact: Politicians do not have the time or desire to -- and do not -- micro-manage diving activities at State Parks -- they are far too busy legislating bedroom activities. The state, due to its overriding concerns and responsibilities, does not evaluate research diving applications on the basis of whether the application may or may not cause an existing permittee to pitch a hissy fit. Fact: Time, gas limits, pressure, and liars are the real enemies -- not each other. And, dear readers, always remember this: diving the internet has the same dangers as cave diving: bad gas mixtures, false leads, and line traps. It is a little late in the game to come to the realization that one's public behavior, including the boorish, juvenile internet game of "How many lists can I get kicked off of?", may have negative public relations consequences that might, without anyone else's help, jeopardize an existing permit. IOW, why worry about someone else screwing the pooch for you, if you have hordes of howling humunculii holding the head, while you happily hump the huskie yourself? giii, march 17 :"If you can't put out a real post, then your point is lost." Yup. I'm with you there. (Cut to Close-Up of Woodpecker tattoo) Christopher A. 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