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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 07:59:24 EST
From: "Andrew Cohen" <Andrew_Cohen@cc*.ss*.nm*.go*>
To: anonomous@sa*.ne*, Adam Fine <afn44015@af*.or*>
Cc: techdiver@terra.net, cavers@ge*.co*
Subject: Re[2]: THE REAL STORY
     
Why is this garbage on techdiver? Why not just leave it on Cavers where it 
belongs?  Florida ain't the whole world, guys, and the rest of us just don't 
care.
Andy Cohen

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On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 anonomous@sa*.ne* wrote:
     
> 
>       After watching all of the snivelling weenies speculate about Wakulla, 
> it is now necessary to bring out a couple of facts.
> 
>       First of all, King is paying Stone to try to get him into Wakulla, as 
> King clearly could not get into anywhere on his own pathetic track record. 
> He bungled the Sally Ward exploration due to being incapable of cave diving 
> and a total wimp. The Eagles Nest and Diepolder jokes were again pathetic
> attempts to pretend to explore - sheer weenie dives involving penetrations 
> that can be done on a stage bottle. The bungled Sally dives and survey that 
> was 90 degrees off, done by the spineless, gutless weenie himself, cost the
> State a fortune as they did not buy the right land and now it is rezoned and 
> ten times the price. Nice work, Wimp. 
> 
>        Stone himself is no cave diver, and has never done any of the things 
> he is promising to do in Wakulla. He has not prven any "methods" or gear,
> and has no business butting into a scientific research project in order to 
> aggrandize himself and his financeer. I think we can all see where this
> mercenary asshole's head is - firmly up Jim King's ass (as long as that is 
> where the money is).
> 
>        When any of these strokes can prove anything in Leon Sinks, which is 
> open to the public, then they will be ready to try Wakulla. But since the
> depths and distances in Wakulla are already three times further than any of 
> these jokers have ever been , it is higly unlikely that anyone will take
> them seriously, other than the wannabee strokes on these lists, who want to 
> believe that there are shortcuts and magic carpets to everything, and that 
> wimps who do not have the balls to do what it takes can compete with the
> pros. Fat chance, weenies. 
> 
>        The other big problem with these guys is their cavalier attitude 
> about the reasource, about peoples lives, and about the importance of an
> holistic approach. This is due to a blatent lack of understanding of what
> they are trying to get involved in. A screwup by these guys, whether it be a 
> death, detruction of the reasource, interruption of the facitlity, or
> genreral nuissance would result in access being denied for ever to anyone. 
> On the other hand, the current players have developped real gear and real 
> techniques that are shared with the entire community for all their diving, 
> and have made this kind of diving acceptable to the landowners and
> governement, and have proven the value of cave diving. These guys have also 
> proven trimix cave diving and deco schedules in water, something that is now 
> taught by several agencies, and considered normal for diving by everyone who 
> is in a position to grant access.
> 
>        These guys need to wait their turn, and come back when they have some 
> proof that they can do something. They are severely outclassed. They can do 
> nothing but make us all look bad, get us all locked out, and  disrupt a
> project that involves 70 people, four Government agencies, two universities, 
> ten years of work, and interconnected permits from four different entities, 
> with cooperation from numerous private landowners where insurance and legal 
> documents, as well as contracts to provide data are already in place,
> including grants that are interlcocking between different entities to
> proveide data on a coordinated basis. Why should some asshole from Tennessse 
> who is a total goober get in the middle of this? He might be able to buy
> Stone, but who else can he buy? There cetainly could be no ther way for 
> somebady who is a proven and known pussy, who is a proven and knonw
> ignoramus, and a proven and known clown to jump in. He shold try balloon 
> racing, or offshore powerboats, or some other "sport" where the arduous
> application of green pictures of dead presidents is the only requirement for 
> success. 
> 
>        As is always the case with the diving communities, the weenies and 
> morons would love to see the playing field leveled, but are unwilling to 
> obtain the knowledge, or do the work to get there. 
> 
>        The fact is, nothing can replace what these guys lack. 
> 
>       
> 
> 
     
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