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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:38:35 -0800
From: iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co* (IANTD )
Subject: Re: Re[4]: DR.X safety factor
To: "Anthony Martinez" <Anthony_Martinez@cc*.ss*.nm*.go*>
Cc: techdiver@terra.net
You wrote: 
>
>Tom,
>
>Screw the comedy, it is lost on you. I don't know why you insist on 
making me 
>out to be the bad guy. All I want is clarification on a post that 
stated that 
>you can deco on your helium based backgas by strictly looking at the 
O2 content.
>I DID NOT MAKE THAT STATEMENT. My understanding of the subject does 
not allow me
>to agree with that statement, but I don't know everything and am not 
on the 
>cutting edge. Apparently you do not agree with it either.


ONE NOBODY JUMPED ON YOUR CASE YOU POSTED A POST THAT HAD THE da SCRIPT 
WITH IT AND SAID THAT WAS A COMOICA;L SCRIPT, i JUST REPLIED I DID NOT 
UNDERSTAND THE COMEDEY AND THEN WROTE THE DECO SCHEDULES FOR WHOMEVER 
MIGHT BE INTERESTED. 

I WROTE TWO RESPONSES TO THE FULL OF SHIT COMMENT, THE FIRST FOR SOME 
REASON DID NOT GO THROUGH, OR LEAST I HAVE NOT SEEN IT POSTED. BUT THE 
ANSWERS ON THE SCHEDULES ARE ON PURE ZERO SAFETY FACTOR DIRECT BULHMAN 
MODELS. IF GEORGE OR ANYONE DECOS ON BULHMAN TABLES THAT IS HOW THEY 
WILL BE PRESENTED. IF YOU DECO ON BOTTOM MIX WITH HELIUM BY ALL DECPO 
MODELS AND ALL PHYSIOLOGIST IT REQUIRES MORE DECO. PREHAPS GEORGES 
PHYSIOLOGY DIFFERS FROM THE REST OF US. HOWEVER WHEN DIVING HERE AT THE 
SAME TIME I'M IN THE WATER HE SPENDS ALMOST AS MUCH TIME AT DECO AS I 
DO. YES HE DOES LONG INDIVIDUAL DECOMPRESSIONS. BUT I DOUBT THAT HIS 
TOTAL DECO ANNUALLY IS AS GREAT AS EITHER MINE , BILLYS ARE A NUMBER OF 
OTHERS OUT THERE. AND I'M NOT WILLIONG TO TAKE THE INDIVIDUAL DECO RISK 
HE IS, I DO RESPECT DECO I DO NOT FEAR IT OR I WOULD NOT DO THE DIVES I 
DO. THIS PARA IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU PERSE IT IS THE INFO IN THE ONE 
REPLY I POSTED THAT DID NOT MAKE IT TO TECHDIVER FOR SOME REASON.

>
>Now George has asked that these questions not be directed at him, 
that's a 
>shame. I believe he and his team will take diving to the next level. I 
think you
>also believe this, but when George posted that we would not understand 
his 
>methods and that you were full of shit on this, you just put on the 
pads and 
>replied "we perhaps agree". Someone states you are full of shit and 
you agree, 
>but I ask for MORE INFORMATION and you jump on my case! Gimme a 
f_ckin' break!
>
WE DO NOT AGREE ON ALL THINGS WE DO AGREE THAT SOME USE SAFETY FACTORS 
AND OTHERS DO NOT. 
>Get this straight, I DO NOT FAKE POSTS. I DO NOT DISPENSE DECO 
PROCEDURES. I 
>LIKE THE JERKY BOYS. I AM A DECO WEENIE. I WOULD LIKE TO STOP BEING A 
DECO 
>WEENIE. If you do not have a sense of humor or cannot read between the 
lines, 
>well that's not my problem. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm neither 
angry nor
>offended, but I believe you're directing your energy in the wrong way.
>
>Tony
>TONY I JUST ANSWERED A QUESTION ON DECO ON DIFFERENT MIXES AND SHOWED 
YOU WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAD TO DECO PER THE BULHMAN MODEL ON THE BOTTOM 
MIX. UNLIKE GEORGE I HAVE TREATED DIVERS INCLUDING THOSE BENT ON HELIUM 
AND ALL DECO PROBLEMS WITH ANY GAS CAN BECOME SERIOUS. I RESPECT DECO 
SO GUESS THAT MAKES ME A WEENIE BUT I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF BOTH 
THEORY, PRACTICAL AND PRACTICE BACKGROUND IN DECOMPRESSION, AND 
TREATMENT OF DIVERS. PLUS A GOOD EDUCATION ALONG THAT LINE.
I HAVE COMPLETED FIVE HYPERBARIC MEDICINE COURSES HAVE TAUGHT CHAMBER 
OPS AND BEEN ACTIVE IN THAT FIELD BEFORE MOST PEOPLE ON THIS NET WERE 
EVEN DIVING. BETWEEN 1968 AND 1976 I SUPERVISED THE CHAMBER AT RSMAS 
THAT TREATED ALMOST EVERY DIVER WITH DCI IN SOUTH FL AND THE BAHAMAS, I 
HAVE SEEN A LOT OF BENDS. I HAVE ALSO SEEN THE GUYS THAT THEORY DID NOT 
APPLY TO ONCE IT DID CATCH UP, AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE CATCH UP TIME, I 
WILL GIVE YOU SOME NAMES TO CONTACT IF YOU WISH TO CHECK THAT OUT. THEY 
TOO FOR A LONG TIME REQUIRED LESS DECO THAN OTHERS AND GOT BY WITH MORE 
PERSONAL APPROACHES TO DECO. THEY WILL BE GLAD TO RELATE THE MONTHS IT 
TOOK TO LEARN TO WALK AGAIN. THAT IS WHY I GET UPSET WHEN SOMEONE 
STARTS IMPLYING THAT DECO MODELS ARE BS. ONCE YOU SEE YOUNG PEOPLE 
WHOSE WHOLE BODY IS LIMP LIKE PUTTY BECAUSE OF A DECO ACCIDENT THAT 
COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED, YOU GET UPSET WHEN SONEONE IMPLIES THAT PROVEN 
MODELS ARE BS. AND THAT PEOPLE WHO ADVOCATE THEM ARE FULL OF SHIT AS 
GEORGE STATES I'AM WHICH MEANS NOT ME BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DEVELOPED THE 
MODELS. AS GEORGE SAID CONTACT BILL HAMILTON HE ADVOCATED SAFE MODELS 
SO I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW GEORGE CAN REFER TO HIM AND STILL STATE THE 
MODELS OR PERSONS USING THEM PER SE ARE FULL OF SHIT. WITH NEW THEORUES 
EVOLVING WE MAY BE MAKING EVEN MORE CHANGES AS THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT 
TWO SEPERATE APPROACHES MAY BE NEEDED FOR PAIN ONLY DCI AND CNS DCI.

TO THAT END THE STOP MIDWAY BETWEEN THE BOTTOM AND FIRST STOP WILL MOST 
LIKELY BECOME A PART OF THE EMERGING MODELS. MANY ODF US ALREADY 
PRACTICE THAT AND HAVE FOR SOMETIME.

HAVE A HAPPY DAY AND ENJOY SOME SAFE DIVING
TOM MOUNT
P.S.  I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU WROTE THE DA(SUCKERS) MESSAGE OR JUST COPIED 
IT OR WHAT. I WOULD HAVE IGNORED IT REGARDLESS EXCEPT THE CONTENT COULD 
CAUSE AN UNINFORMED DIVER TO GET HURT.
I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ANGRY OR UPSET ABOUT AS MY ONLY INTENT 
WAS/IS TO CLARIFY THE ISSUE POSTED. 
>
>I DID NOT ADRESS THIS ISSUE TO GET INTO A LOT OF ARGUEMENTS OR TO 
CAUSE YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE TO FEEL OFFENDED. PREHAPS GETTING OFF THE 
SCENE(FORUMS) WOULD BE A MORE PEACEFUL EXISTANCE.
 

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