Mailing List Archive

Mailing List: techdiver

Banner Advert

Message Display

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 23:22:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Maiken <ebmaiken@ea*.oa*.uc*.ed*>
To: John 015 <CC015012@BR*.br*.ed*>
cc: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Re: [Q] - more Q's on bubble models.
 Hi John:

> 
> In the ScubaPro '95 catalog they advertise the DC-12 Dive Computer
> and state that it's based on Max Hahn's P6 algorithms which
> "utilizes both dissolved gas and bubble mechanics".  Nothing is
> said about Doppler testing.

It's funny, with all of the MK 10/G250s and other excellent ScubaPro 
products that the deco diving public uses, I've  NEVER seen a DC-12 
setting the stops....

So, what's going on here?

Here's my warped version of pure, unsubstantiated rumor:

References to bubble mechanics being involved in the DC-12's algorithm are 
pure marketing BS. In the early '90s, S.Pro-USA worked with Wienke to 
develop a bubble model-based computer that would use his RGBM (the 
RGBM extends Yount's VPM to repetitive dives). Business 
(rather than technical) "difficulties" prevented production of a 
product. Meanwhile, S.Pro-Europe wanted to go with Hahn's P-6 (no 
Buhlmann involvement) for the next generation computer. So, a 
50/50 compromise was reached.... The bubble model stuff was used for ads, 
marketing, etc, while a "traditional" supersaturation algorithm set the 
stops.

As far as I'm aware, no bubble-calculated schedules are publicly 
available. Wienke was involved in developing recent versions 
of the Abyss desk-top-deco software product. Although I don't own Abyss, I 
know that it does not use the full iterative calculation scheme required 
to calculate VPM schedules and that for a single dive it does not produce 
a bubble-like ascent. To wit:

Reference aquaCORPS #10 article "MATTERHORN." Therein is detailed a 
multilevel dive and a deco schedule calculated by Abyss. (Please jump 
in Chris!) As best as I can make out it goes like this:

DEPTH(ft.)      RUN-TIME(min)
--------------------------
			Dive on Air
Descent		3
200		13
160		26
130		37
			Stops on air
40		41
30		50
			Stops on O2
20		58
10		75
0		76

Yount's VPM algorithm (as detailed in Yount&Hoffman 1986) Produces the 
following schedule:

Depth(ft)	RUN-TIME (min)
--------------------------------
Descent		3
200		13
160		26
130		37
			Stops on air
80		41
70		44
60		47
50		53
40		61
30		70
			Stops on O2
20		77
10		87
0		88


Note that the VPM starts your stops much deeper than Abyss and gets you 
out of the water a bit later (the Abyss schedule seems a bit aggressive).

This isn't to say one way is good or bad...hell, neither the VPM or most 
desk-ware has been "tested," so watch out, be careful, etc--but mostly be 
critical! 




Regards EM

_____________________________________________________________
Eric Maiken                    email: ebmaiken@ea*.oa*.uc*.ed*              
Dept. of Physics                   o: 714 824-6621   
U. of California                 fax: 714 824-2174
Irvine, CA 92715-4575


Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]