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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:47:55 -0800
To: techdiver@terra.net
From: Art Ranz <aranz@ix*.ne*.co*>
Subject: Re: CO2 REVISITED
At 04:10 PM 96-3-18 CST, you wrote:
>In 1965, Peter Bennett studied the effect of breathing different gas
mixtures at 
>10.8 ATA total pressure on cortical (brain) oxygen and carbon dioxide
levels in 
>spontaneously breathing anesthetized cats 1.  Baseline cortical CO2 was 53
mmHg 
>and O2 was 77mmHg at 1 ATA air.  Below is a table of the results with
different 
>gas mixtures.  All changes represent changes from the baselines above.
>    
>    Gas                     CO2 % change        O2 % change
>    1 ATA O2                    +5.6%           +86%
>    2.34 ATA O2                 +7%             +214%
>    8.67 ATA He/2.34 ATA O2     +5.1%           +297%
>    8.67 ATA N2/2.34 ATA O2     +12.1%          +121%
>    8.67 ATA Ar/2.34 ATA O2     +20.5%          +91%
>
>So, as the density of gas increased, the cortical CO2 increased.
Unfortunately, 
>arterial levels of CO2 and O2 were not measured, so it is difficult to say
that 
>the increase is from increased systemic CO2 production.  Interestingly, as the 
>density of gas mixture increased, the increase in cortical O2 was limited.  
>Again, this is not specifically addressed in this study, but it could be
due to 
>decreased respiratory efficiency with the denser gases.  CO2 also increased 
>slightly at 1 ATA O2.  The mechanism of this was not addressed, but could be 
>related to decreased dexoyhemoglobin transport of CO2 from the tissue
(normally 
>an important mechanism by which CO2 is removed from the tissue is by
binding to 
>the hemoglobin that has given up it's oxygen to the tissue.  When PO2's are 
>high, there is less desaturated hemoglobin.).  
>
>Increased CO2 can clearly exacerbate hyperoxic seizures.  The mechanism is not 
>clear, however.  One potential explanation could be due to increased 
>catecholamines in the brain.  Production of hydrogen peroxide from 
>catecholamines by monoamine oxidase seems to be a very important mechanism in 
>hyperoxic seizures.  When CO2 increases, catecholamines increase (and this
could 
>also be an explanation of why stress can cause seizures).  
>
>FYI,
>Eddie Brian
>
>1. Bennett PB: Cortical CO2 and O2 at high pressures of argon, nitrogen,
helium, 
>and oxygen. J Appl Physiol 1965;20:1249-1252
>--
Brian,  I have another theory on this paper.  I know nothing of feline
anesthesia, but the baseline pCO2 of 58 is probably typically high as you
would expect anesthetized humans spontaneously breathing.  The values of CO2
increase is comparable, 5%,7%,5% for 02 and He.  The CO2 increase in the
first three levels was slight compared to the density (1,2,10 ATM), but when
the narcotic value of the mixture increase, the CO2 retention increased
dramatically.  Notice the difference in N2 and then to Ar which is the most
narcotic.  As you know, increasing depth of anesthesia increases CO2
retention in spontaneously breathing man and probably cats too.  I have no
idea what the MAC of 8 ATM of Argon is, but I think you could probably do
some serious surgery at that level.  There is no mention of respiratory
minute volume, but I suspect that it was so depressed at the Ar level that
the O2 was simply not being exchanged well.  Is the anesthesia effect of
narcotic gasses more important than density at normal diving depths?  Maybe.  

Some other thoughts.  Is the 5% increase with 1 Atm of O2 due to it's
reputed narcotic effect? The only place where density jumps out at me is
between groups 2 and 3 where O2 is the same and the He is added and CO2
retention falls.  This may not be statistically significant however.  

Art

P.S.  Is this Bennet the one at DAN? 

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