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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:06:10 +0000
From: Timothy Olson <deepdive@sa*.cv*.or*>
Subject: Re: Full face masks
To: techdiver@terra.net

A couple of weekends ago, I was Ice diving with Greg Zambeck and got some
good underwater pictures of the double AGA regulator block he designed 
for the AGA FFM.  He has made them with 2 aga regulators and with 2 Odin 
regulators.  both work well.  If someone wants a couple of Underwater 
pictures of this setup, he may be able to send them to you after I send 
them on to him.  We both use a gas switching block in conjunction with 
our AGAs.  Although some may not like the idea of a gas switching block, 
I have personally had it save me from a major hassle 2 times...
one was with a 2nd stage freeflow that I was able to reduce, and one with 
with a first stage malfunction on a stage bottle that caused a freeflow.
In both cases, the equipment provided much valued service.

Tim Olson
Underwater Ventures
Eau Claire, WI
deepdive@sa*.cv*.or*




On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Curt Smitka wrote:

> The AGA FFM can be modified to handle two independent second stages
> elimenating the need to switch masks when you have a regulator failure.
> The modifications require you to make or purchase a custom mounting block,
> the best Iv'e seen is made by Greg Zambeck and incorporates two second
> stages, communications, and hydration ports.
> Curt
> 
> At 2:50 PM 3/2/96, <HeyyDude@ao*.co*> wrote:
> 
>  * I'm sooooo glad to be able to talk a little about diving...
>  *
>  * Andy,
>  *
>  * I've been using the AGA mask for about a year now - the real concern most
>  * divers who have even more experience with them than I do express is that if
>  * you have a second stage failure - I mean TOTAL failure - no air coming
outta
>  * it - you have to bail out of the entire mask, and take your octo in your
>  * mouth without protection for your eyes (basic OW scuba class).
>  *
>  * I'm told (since this has never happened to me) that should you need to do
>  * this in very cold water, it can create a kind of shock to your system that
>  * makes you inhale, thereby causing you mongo problems.
>  *
>  * I developed a sort of backup system for this when I was wreck diving in the
>  * South Pacific - It is simple, but since it is my own invention, and I'm not
>  * "Mr. Joe Diver" or even remotely related to Mike Nelson - use it at your
own
>  * peril:  I attached a second hose to my LP line, and on the end connected
one
>  * of those "air-blower" attachments (for cleaning photo gear, etc.).  Should
I
>  * have a prob with the second stage, I practiced slipping the little rubber
>  * tube into my mask, and blowing air periodically.  This would allow you get
>  * the hell out of whatever situation you were in, without requiring you to
bail
>  * on your FFM.
>  *
>  * Now there are a lot of people who would screech at this, but it was the
>  * simplest, quickest approach I could see to a near impossible failure of the
>  * second stage (more than likely, the second stage would fail in a free-flow
>  * manner, which would just puff your face up with a lot of air - for those of
>  * you who wear FFM's try it sometime - it's kinda cool to bug your eyes
>  * out...).
>  *
>  * Of course, the ultimate is to have some kind of switching block on your
mask
>  * to switch to a back up second stage, but so far I've only seen that on
FFM's
>  * designed for rebreathers.
>  *
>  * As for CO2 buildup - the AGA has a "oral/nasal" isolator cup that keeps the
>  * CO2 buildup to a minimum.  Since I was appearing on camera in my latest
film,
>  * I took mine out so the audience could see more of my beautiful mug.  I
>  * experienced only one problem that I attribute to excess CO2 - on an 85
minute
>  * dive to 55 feet (on a sunken airplane) - I was breathing pretty shallow, I
>  * guess (BTW- I had stopped smoking, and it was AMAZING how much my gas
>  * consumption improved) - anyway, I got one MONSTER headache by the end of
that
>  * dive.
>  *
>  * Later, I took the mask down to about 150' and experienced no problems like
>  * that one dive.  It is MUCH SAFER and RECOMMENDED that you DO NOT do what I
>  * did - and if you don't have to appear on camera, then there is no reason
for
>  * you to do this.
>  *
>  * Anyway - I'm glad if this info helps you.
>  *
>  * Later.
>  *
>  * Kevin.
>  * HeyyDude
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> University of Michigan
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