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EE Atikkan wrote:
>>> b.  THis all becomes relatively less necessary when the
>>>reel is being employed as a way back line. Without a
>>>doubt a technique that a wreck diver worth their gear should
>>>preferably not use...
>>>
>>>...Emphasis of & reliance on the bread crumbs only reduces
>>> diving acumen.
>>>
>>>c.  Even if a stroke chooses that technique in an 
>>>emergency they can cut and ascend after retieing (remember
>>> the back up needs to be brought into use and tied)...

billyW wrote:
>>you seem to be saying only strokes run lines on wrecks.
>>Is that what you mean? And if so, why?

EE Atikkan wrote:
>THat is kind of what I believe.  The reasoning is simple (to 
>my simple mind at least).  It is a matter of 'self-reliance'
>and learning, increasing awareness of wreck, many of those
>intangibles that make us, I think, better wreck divers.
>
>The first and foremost 'philosophical' point is: Not 
>returning to anchor-line is not a life or death matter.
> We do carry independent deco-stop means.  Therefore laying
> a way-back line (cross wreck line, bread crumbs, whatever)
> is not essential for survival provided that no 
>penetration is involved.
>
>Secondly, since survival as well as enjoyment of the wreck
> depends, in my view, on learning it, those crutches tend 
>to reduce that learning.
>
>Thirdly, laying lines require a level of learning, & lines
> that are not layed right become a hazard.  Obviously we 
>have the double jeopardy here - inexperienced divers are 
>the ones that (mostly) lay the lines & they (because of the
> inexperience) don't do it right!

Esat, your argument's getting spherical.

I can think of a number of circumstances when you'd be a
stroke NOT to run a wreck line.

>I do not want to generalize on this, but at least in the 
>circles that I dive, the old 'salts', who tend to know the
>wrecks either specifically or generically, don't use them.

Do they carry them?

>On the other hand, those with less experience, who don't use
>them, appear to have learned more about wreck diving and wrecks
>compared to their cohorts that do.  Obviously this is 
>not a conclusion based on scientific data, just an observation.
>Can it be skewed?  Most definitely.  One can also say that the
>former group may be more dedicated, the latter group more 
>casual, & that is what is producing the result, with or without
>line use.

So the folks who know the wrecks don't run lines
and the folks who don't know the wrecks, do.

That's not strokery. It's common sense.

rgrds           billyW

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