Rich, I am forwarding the response Jack Kellon has made to your e-mail to Dan Volker of 8 Feb 96. This is becoming a constructive discussion, in part, thanks to you.--- Dave 10 Feb 1996 To: Richard Pyle From: Jack Kellon Please note that the statement in #3 was SOME manufacturers. Nevertheless, I am only aware of one electronically controlled unit that used a single sensor and non-polling circuitry, the Westinghouse CCM. I first saw this unit around 1970 but never swam it. I know that at least one NEDU evaluation report was published on the CCM and it was part of a U.S. Navy "swimoff" at Roosevelt Roads. I don't think it ever made it to production. If you are aware of others, I would very much appreciate any information you could provide on them. I could also use some enlightenment as to what electronic closed circuit rebreathers don't rely on some type of circuitry or electrical device to function. RBC doesn't recommend bailout procedures other than to state that all bailouts should be to a separate open circuit source that includes whatever redundancies are considered desirable for the depth or environment in open circuit technical or "extended range" diving. There are so many variables to be considered that I am leery of the liability associated with misconstruing more detailed procedures. I'm often asked how long a cave or pipe penetration can be made with our units, and my stock answer is that you should not get into ANY situation with a rebreather that you can't recover from with a separate open circuit bailout ON YOUR PERSON. You shouldn't count on being able to reach another diver or the last staged tank(s) should you have a total system failure on the rebreather, such as a breathing loop breach. You are 100% correct in stating that divers will die using rebreathers and most of them will die because of user error. In over 30 years of rebreather use, including several hundred hours on electronic sensor polling units, I have had three associates die on rebreathers. In one case, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the closed circuit mixed gas electronic unit involved. The diver simply ignored the alarms when the oxygen supply was depleted, probably because of task overload. In the other two cases, the units failed and the divers were apparently not able to rectify the situation, even though they had been trained to do so. It has been suggested that too much time had elapsed since training without adequate emergency action drill reinforcement. I know at least three people that would agree with that assessment as a more widespread problem: Dr. Morgan Wells, Tom Mount and Hal Watts. I do not know Dr. Egstrom personally, but I know that he has long been an advocate of periodic knowledge and skill reinforcement. This is an important issue for rebreather divers that has yet to be addressed by any manufacurers or training agencies that I am aware of. I have had seven personal close calls with rebreathers. Six were on various electronic units, two as result of simple electronic failures and four as a result of electronic failures due to water intrusion. The seventh was on a Drager FGG III and was caused by a temporary bout with that most deaded of diver diseases, terminal dumbass. Common sense no ka oi. Mahalo and aloha, Jack xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dave Schubert Instructor Trainer: PADI, IANTD, DAN Photo...Video...Rebreathers 1201 N. Ocean Drive Singer Island, FL. 33404 407/844-5100, FAX: 407/848-0627 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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