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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:36:03 -0800
From: "George M. Irvine III" <gmiiii@in*.co*>
Subject: Re: Cave diving list down
To: Carl Heinzl <cgh@ma*.ai*.mi*.ed*>, KarstEnvs@ao*.co*
Cc: TECHDIVER@terra.net
	

   Carl ,we all know that Bill Dooley does no have an email account,
yet he is walking around with reams of paper from the tech lists. On
these pages are a couple of fake posts, as well as the messages I sent out 
complaining about his censorship of my video several months ago, and some other
trash that somehow he has been made to believe relates to him. I feel sorry 
for him in that he really does not understand this stuff, and does not 
realize it is nothing.

   The fact is someone else,  and it is pretty clear who it is, has
been arming Dooley with this nonsense and sending him out to get his
head cut off. If those people want to have a go with me, they need to
step up to the plate. Pete Butt has been hostile to me and our project
for as long as I have known him (six years), and while I could care less,
I would just like everyone to know who the real problem is. If Pete thinks
this attitude is producctive, he needs to ask the last ones who tried
it exactly how productive it was.

    It is time for these organizations to get board with what we are
doing, or be counted as not being on board, and I will make that abundantly
clear where it counts, which is not in the cave diving community at all.
The petty resentments and false beliefs of the old liners needs to be 
replaced with an acknowledgement of the reality that we have figured out
how to do what they cound not, and have been willing to share that 
knowledge with everyone for the good of the sport and the safety of all.
The speed with which all of this was implemented is a direct result of
my "attitude" , which is what these people fall back on as their chief
complaint, when all else fails. My attitude is that I will get the job done
with you , or without you. So far we have done quite well without -your
choice. - G

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