hey john, just got off the phone with claybaugh.. he said he too couldn't remember the origin of the discussion but that he felt like it probably was refering to tests done on microorganisims at great depth. he also suggested we contact a man from rodchester new york by the name of "marquis".. he has done extensive research in this area and has a chapter in an upcomming book on the subject (i beleive he said peter bennit was also involved). john claybaugh met with marquis at a symposium at duke two years ago. he also spoke of two german twin brothers from dlr (german equivalent of nasa), who have done studies in the area as well.. he couldn't remember their names. good luck... aloha, dennis
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