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I will strongly agree with Ken about the value of the out of air exercise. Doing that really opened my eyes to how confusing a situation like that can be -- even when you know what's going to happen. Also, I've done the same exercise on a line in "black" open water. That even more points out how one can be confused. It take time to recognize and deal with the out of air situation. Overlearning the response for automatic action is the only answer regardless of which hose you breath.. I was in the pool last night, doing just such a drill... ****************************************************************** David Norton "How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn't live there?" -Stephen Wright OW: PADI Divemaster 96197 Tech: IANTD Deep Air 300/ Adv. Nitrox 387 a-davnor@mi*.co* ****************************************************************** ---------- From: Ken Sallot[SMTP:KEN@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 1996 7:26 AM To: gmcgee1@fo*.co* Cc: techdiver@terra.net Subject: Re: That long hose thang... Gary, you wrote: > Ken, > > What I expect from my dive buddy is for him to do everything > in there power to "HELP" save me. Not Die for me. > > If he gave me the regulator out of his mouth and he took the > non-working backup then he may die. I think it would be very stupid > for the guy with all the good working dive gear to die, while the guy > with the bad dive gear that stopped working keep living or both of them > die in a double drowning. I take responsiblity for my diving ability and > equipment. > > Again: > I don't expect any rescuer to die for me. > > perhaps this is where we differ: > I am getting the impression you think someone should be willing > to die for you?????? > > Gary McGee > Detroit, MI USA > Great Lakes Wrecker No, not at all. I think the rescuer should do everything within his power that does not endanger his life. The difference between us seems to be that you feel that removing the regulator from your mouth will endanger your life. The major problem I have with that line of thought is that if the backup regulator doesn't function, what are you going to do? It doesn't sound like you're willing to buddy breath with someone because you're too afraid of having a double drowning. If I pass off my regulator to you, then my backup doesn't work, at least I have some time to buddy breath with you. If I pass you my backup, and that doesn't work, when I go to hand you my primary to buddy breath you're going to be in worse shape then if I originally handed you my primary to begin with. As a result, the situation will then be more dangerous, and that's when the trouble can start. At least if I pass you my primary, and the backup doesn't work, you'll be a little bit calmer when we go to start buddy breathing. I'm not worried about you trying to take off without me, because I'm the one carrying the tanks on my back. My main reason for insisting on diving the long hose is to avoid a situation where I as a rescuer will jeopardize my life, and as a rescuee will not jeopardize the life of my rescuer. You made a comment once about "must never have had to share air". I've only had to do it once. The guy I was with had a roll-off, and thought he was about to die. He told me later that he looked at his gauge, saw "100psi" and said "Oh shit, I'm dead", then swam over to me and grabbed my regulator. We do a drill here in the pool for all AI's. The drill is simple, have one diver at one side of the pool, the other no more then 100' away at the other side. The diver in the deeper end removes the regulator from his mouth, signals out of air, and blows bubbles while waiting for the other diver. The donor swims as fast as he possibly can to the other person and hands him his primary and starts buddy breathing. 100' doesn't seem like a far distance to travel until you need that air. It's interesting to watch the drill and see the reactions. You should try it sometime. Ken -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ken Sallot "Mock me if you like but don't mock the gods!" CIRCA - Joe Nightengale kens@uf*.ed* (352) 392-2007 http://grove.ufl.edu/~ken -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'.
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