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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:52:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Double Talk (i.e. equipment redundancy)
From: Kevin-Neil Klop <kevink@ap*.co*>
To: "Michel Therrien" <m.therrien@ne*.qc*.ca*>,
     "TechDiver"
>Kevin wrote:
>
>>  Now, how much air do you have in your BC to maintain 
>>neutral buoyancy?  If you have them inflated more than "just a little 
>>bit", then you're overweighted. 
>
>Kevin, if you ever take a set of double 104, you'll be overweighted!  You
>don't need any weight on your waist to accomplish that.

I'm not sure I agree with you on this case.  I dive in twin Genesis 
100's, CF200SP, wooly bears, and no weight belt.  I am NOT overweighted 
under those circumstances.  Note that in a full wet suit I wear only 14 
pounds of weight with an aluminum 80, so I'm by no means a buoyant person 
::grin::.

>
>>I forgot that not everyone is doing cold, salty, water kinds of diving.  
>>As a result, you may need to have more than a small amount of air in your 
>>BC, what with twin 104's, a 3mm wet suit, in fresh water, you may need 
>>appreciable amounts of air in your BC even without a weight belt -- 
>>especially when those tanks are full of gaseous matter at high compression.
>
>Oh... it was already said.  I want to add that it is true even if you dive
>with a full dry-suit and underwear.  With my DUI-CF200 and a viking open
>cell underwear, I inflate my dive-rite BC to approximately half capacity to
>stay neutral.  I did not try with my DUI Thinsulate underwear (the 35-50F 
>one).
>
>> If your mask comes off 
>>and you lose it, you can still see, and you're only going to turn your 
>>dive right then anyhow.  Sure, your Deco hang is going to be pretty 
>>boring, but you can still get out of the water safely. 
>
>This may be true for dives made in Florida, but I would like to die if it
>happens in 36 degree water and I have to spend another hour there.  I take a
>spare mask on my dives and I often exercise changing mask underwater (as I
>exercise any other skills)... this is a PAINFULL experience!  I would not
>like to be even five minutes without a mask for anything in the world (in
>cold water).

Well, yes, I agree here (BTW, my experience is in New England wreck 
diving, N. California diving, and also Ice Diving as a member of Search 
and Rescue, so I sort of understand cold water).  Yes, it would not be 
fun.  NOONE likes being cold.  however, "not fun" or even "painful" is 
not the same as life threatening.  One CAN do the deco without their 
mask.  On the other hand, the mask in a bag is another place to get 
entangled, another place to mistake for the thing that you NEED RIGHT NOW 
(yes, drills somewhat alleviate this problem).  Personally, I'll do 
without the second mask and deal with the unpleasantness of not having a 
mask should I ever break my mask (which I've not done in over 20 years of 
diving).

>
>Have a nice day!

Thank you, sir, and may your day be equally as nice!

>
>Michel Therrien
>m.therrien@ne*.qc*.ca*



        -- Kevin --
        kevink@ap*.co*

It is hard to disagree with a pro-survival decision,
     It is even harder to engage in prolonged arguments
          with someone who consistently makes anti-survival decisions.

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