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damn i hate to agree with this guy, makes my fingers sweat.. but this post is his/yours best... have to agree with you almost totally, and the points that i don't agree with are too small to talk about.. happy new year to all you people out there, oh, you too george :-) dp On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, George M. Irvine III wrote: > > It appears that I am not making myself clear about > the training organizations. What we have hear are the Good, > the Bad, and the Ugly. > > The Good is obviously Mount's IANTD - a serious outfit. > My only complaint about Tom is that he is too nice of a guy, > and lets people do things (in order not to hurt their feelings > or to allow them their personal preferences) that I would not. > I don't think crappy gear configs or stuffed hoses are safe > in the least, but that is not my point. > > The Bad is clearly ANDI, recommending ridiculous PPO2's > and claiming it is ok because of some NOAA nonsense or antiquated > Navy nonsense. In my opinion, these PPO2's have been implicated in > accidents by recent information and should be discontinued. > > The Ugly is clearly TDI: the emphasis on deep air and on > deep air records, on deep air "ability", and on proving you are > some tough guy via deep air is assinine. I have no idea what their > standards are, I only see the results of the activities of people > with TDI and the acitvities surrounding this organization that have > resulted in disaster. > > The other major problem I have with these guys is the > recent empahsis on active addition semi-closed rebreathers that > base their "bet" on an unknown metabolic rate, unknown respiration > production, unknown loop ppo2's, and taught by people who have > little or no pysiological training, little or no math knowledge, > little or no enigneering knowledge, limited diving experience, > and very little rebrether experience. > > Let me give you an example: a fiend of mine had his > yacht over in New Providence. He went into that "tech" shop > over there, and mentioned to you-know-who that he wanted to > get a little more bottom time on his dives without the deco > obligation. He was told that what he needed was a Drager > rebreather. The friend called me, and told me the story - I told > him that he needed nitrox, not a rebreater. This guy does 100 > foot lobster and spearfishing dives only, has a 120 foot yacht > a sixty foot sportfishing boat with full crews , compressors, > tenders, everything. They just thought they had them a pidgeon. > Luckily, the guy called me from the boat. > > I would suggest that if we give these guys > a wide berth, they may get the message before they ruin it for > all of us, and we end up in the same fix the Aussies are now > dealing with - regulated diving, including a ban on mixes > other than air for non-commercial or non-military activities. > > The sooner recreational and scientific diving makes the > distiction between obvious misdirected dillatantic charlatans > and serious players, the sooner we will be able to legitimize > our activities and prevent unwanted regulation. Castigation of > the bad examples is our responsibility. > > George Irvine > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@terra.net'. > Send subscription/archive requests to `techdiver-request@terra.net'. >
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