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From: J Shepherd <jms@fe*.ed*.ac*.uk*>
Subject: Re: efficiency of fins (was: Re: Force Fin Challenge)
To: techdiver@terra.net
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 14:18:36 GMT

	I think we can simplify AAs equation into; 

	:-)Smilies
	++++++++++
	Bucks.

	Personally the price of fins has got ridiculous. And as one
poster has pointed out; manouevrability is a problem.

	So is spelling... 

	Fins can be produced for different purposes. A good diver will
explore various options *for the task he has in mind*. The problems are
threefold i) too many 'bad' divers being turned out ii) too many 'bad'
salesmen and iii) bad advice to beginners; I personally don't advise FFs
due to the fact that I can't teach them how to get the most out of them,
which is as good a reason as any. Let them hoist their own petard if
they must.

	Jason


>   dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker) wrote (Subject: Force Fin Challenge):-
> > ... the mis-information that [Force Fins] are a "good" fin for everyone.
> > What I want to demonstrate is that they are only good for people who either
> > like to swim slow (i.e., macro photographers) or have to swim slow (the
> > physically unfit who cramp easily or have heart conditions, etc.) ... how
> > "efficient" Force Fins are ...
> 
> By `efficient' of fins (or boat propellers etc) at each speed, do you mean
> like this?:-
>   X = total energy that the diver's legs expend while swimming
>   A = energy used by the thighs and shins making eddies and pushing water
> sideways as they go up and down
>   X-A = energy that reaches the fins
>   B = energy used by the fins making eddies and pushing water sideways as they
> go up and down
>   D = energy that ends up as backward-moving water, i.e. the diver equivalent
> of propeller wash or jet backblast
>   S = X-A-B-C-D = energy that does get used in pushing the diver forwards
>   Minus propulsion caused by other parts of the legs than the fins. Likely in
> fin swimming that amount is small, but I get the impression that in breast
> stroke swimming a fair amount of propulsion is caused by water pushed out
> from between the thighs.
>   Has any proper hydrodynamic research been done on this? if so, does anyone
> out there know any relevant scientific paper references?
>   (Plus as a side issue how much energy gets wasted pushing badly-shaped kit
> through the water making e.g. tail eddies behind a thick square-ended
> cylinder.)
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