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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 23:07:41 -1000 (HST)
From: Dennis Pierce <epic@so*.ha*.ed*>
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.bi*.Ha*.Or*>
cc: Kevin-Neil Klop <kevink@ap*.co*>, tech list <techdiver@terra.net>
Subject: Re: Buddies (Was NITROX stickers)
There is just no way i am buying any of this solo diving stuff, i know that
this has been covered too many times and alot of you don't want to hear it,
and i don't have the time to follow and responses (rich and i have spent 
hours talking about it already in person, it could take weeks here) :-)

my comment is that it's ridiculous to think or say that it's better to be
in the water without a buddy.  yes the buddy can be a liability... but only
if he or she isn't trained well enough to <<be>> a buddy... and alot of 
people (imhe) don't want to take the time or efforts to reach this level of 
proficency...  if you can't deal with being in the water with a buddy and
all the concerns that go along with this system then you are not ready for
diving this environment.  period.

it's almost as bad as not having a tender/captain  on the boat... you guys

are gonna get intro trouble, you're gonna get bent or killed.

for what!!!

dennis pierce




On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Richard Pyle wrote:

> > ::grin::  I'm one of the exceptions too - I'll always dive with a buddy.  
> > Note, hopwever, that I won't COUNT on a buddy in case of a problem.  
> > Sure, there are circumstances where a buddy can be a liability.  There 
> > are circumstances where a second regulator is a liability as well.  
> > Perhaps, then, we should leave off a second regulator (after all, if 
> > we're not diving with a buddy, then we don't need to share air, right?)  
> > Yes, that's a silly statement, but it's intended to make some people 
> > think a moment.
> 
> It's not just a simple matter of whether or not a buddy or a second 
> regulator *can* be a liability - it's a question of tradeoffs.  Just 
> about every component of a dive - from equipment to logistical protocols to 
> procedures to personnel - has costs and benefits in terms of safety, 
> operational efficiency, etc.  The art is intelligently weighing the costs 
> and benefits of each component in the system to determine whether the net 
> result of incorporating that component is beneficial (net asset) or 
> costly (net liability).  The only way to become proficient at this art 
> (which is basically the ability to optimize all the parameters of a dive 
> by accurately predicting the cost/benefit values of each component) is by 
> combining intelligence and experience.
> 
> For most of the diving I do - especially the diving that most folks would 
> classify as "technical" - having extra people in the water yeilds a net 
> liabilty.  But this takes into account many different factors, including 
> my own psychology.  For another person doing exactly the same task in 
> exactly the same conditions with exactly the same equipment, having a 
> buddy may yeild a net asset.  Of course, when you start playing with 
> other factors (i.e. diving in caves instead of reefs, doing 90 minute 
> bottom times instead of 30 minute bottom times, maximizing distance 
> travelled rather than maximizing agility, following a preset
> well-defined course rather than making up the course as you go along. 
> etc.) the variance in cost/benefit values of each component can be huge.
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, "Hogarthian" philosophy is similar - optimizing 
> components based on cost/benefit ratios.
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich
> 
> Richard Pyle
> deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or*
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