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Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:11:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Dudas <john_dudas@ya*.co*>
Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
To: George Trey Irvine <trey@ne*.co*>, cavers@cavers.com
I've been reading this whole thread with shock.  I
coached 12 year olds in soccer and at that age they
are still very much developing motor skills.  Can you
imagine one of them trying to close off a cracked
manafold while in a panic??!  Or helping a diver that
is in need of rescue?  If these 12 year olds go on to
advanced diving at 13, 14, or 15 those are the ages
where some of the worst accidents take place because
of the "Superman Syndrome".  Kids, and I do mean kids
think that they are impervious.  The parents also tend
to push their kids into wreckless behavior - "be a
footbal star early...".  Cave or Cavern - it does not
matter.  I also think that the PADI bubble blower
program is NUTS!  Along the lines of  divers that
smoke and fat slobs in the water (fat=nitrogen
retension)!  

One of these days the insurance industry is going to
wise up to these idiots and we are all going to be
screwed.  I don't want to have to lie about a sport
that I love in order to keep insurance.

John Dudas
PDDC
WWW.dcdiver.com
--- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
> We need to take Alton public. The tec diving
> bullshit is so far beyond the pale it is ridiculous.
> It is only a matter of time before these guys : 1)
> lose their insurance, 2) get diving regulated, 3)
> cause such an uproar that the kind of diving we do
> will be illegal.
> 
> Notice that they all go along with it, because the
> NACD , the CDS, and the rest of the game is all run
> by dive instructors who are trying to make a living
> out of our sport. These people are parasites of the
> worst order. I can not wait until the releases they
> use to get away with bullshit start getting thrown
> out,and they eventually will due to the degree to
> which these people display a cavalier attitude about
> human life, and the low level of trailer trash that
> teaches diving for the most part these days.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@mc*.co*>
> To: MrClark95@ao*.co* <MrClark95@ao*.co*>;
> wkpp@eg*.co* <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
> Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> 
> 
> >George,
> >How do I buy stock in Alton's company?
> >
> >Trout
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <MrClark95@ao*.co*>
> >To: <wkpp@eg*.co*>
> >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
> >Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 6:51 PM
> >Subject: "Junior" Cave Divers?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>             I have just heard that IANTD is now
> offering "junior overhead"
> >> diving courses for twelve-year-olds including
> cave diving, and two other
> >> "junior" courses for twelve year olds. It seems
> to me that this is why
> >kids
> >> have parents - to keep them from acting like
> armadillos crossing the road.
> >If
> >> this is indeed true, then this is a new low in
> the "Anything For A Buck"
> >> category.
> >>
> >>             Maybe Mount can explain this one to
> us, and CC his "Board of
> >> Advisors", so we can at least see a list of who
> approves of this kind of
> >> nonsense, if indeed it is even true, which is
> hard to believe, and see who
> >it
> >> is that is obviously trying desperately to put an
> end to diving as we know
> >> it, or at least cave and "tec" diving as we know
> it. I can see one of
> >these
> >> newpaper headlines now, "12 year old drowns in
> cave, writes note to mommy
> >on
> >> tank, IANTD card found in MIkey Mouse lunch box
> on bike".
> >>
> >>             What next?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 

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