Greg, it it the policy of IANTD for its
"instructors" to get on the net and recommend deep
air from 170-220? I will be sure to forward your
post to Petie Myers and the insurance company just
to be sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bott <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: gzambeck1 <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>; Al Marvelli
<ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; Scott McWilliam
<gunilda@wo*.co*>
Cc: AlanPelstring@ao*.co* <AlanPelstring@ao*.co*>;
cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>;
TECHDIVER@aq*.co* <TECHDIVER@aq*.co*>;
trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>
Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: Scooters


>FUCK YOU, YOU GOD DAMN LYING SACK OF SHIT!!!!  I
NEVER TOLD ANYONE YOU ARE
>A TDI INSTRUCTOR.  I KNOW GOD DAMN GOOD AND WELL
YOU ARE THE WORST FUCKING
>IANTD INSTRUCTOR I HAVE EVER RUN ACROSS!!!  CHRIST
ANY IDIOT CAN LOOK THAT
>UP ON THE IANTD WEB SITE!!!
>
>I ALSO NEVER SAID YOU CERTIFIED ROOST YOU DUMB
FUCK!!!  WAS I WRONG???  WAS
>HE YOUR STUDENT???  THAT WOULD MAKE TWO CONFIRMED
KILLS!!!!  WHO ELSE YOU
>PIECE OF SHIT???  YOU ARE ONE SORRY STUPID SON OF A
BITCH!!!
>
>
>At 02:34 AM 8/9/00 , gzambeck1 wrote:
>>Al I found the comments interesting, I can tell
how much frustration that
>>is by the
>>amount of noise.
>>Since your a lawyer, and an ex sergeant.
>>I once ask a Nam vet did they ever worry about
dying.
>>His response was " NO when your dead it's all
over, you worry about living
>>with an
>>injury ".
>>
>>So multiple "sports injuries" are acceptable even
if it leads to hip bone
>>and joint
>>replacement at an early age?
>>
>>I have one friend who has had this done and, and
his diving became much more
>>conservative.
>>
>>As for my students you haven't followed the other
thread very well.
>>Most are instructors or divers diving air to 150
to 220 ft.
>>They don't think much of WKPP or George.
>>To quote the last one "shit happens I know that
divers die."
>>"If you don't want to get hurt, don't get into the
water".
>>
>>Mike Graczyk who was the store manager of
Richard's store.
>>Brought two more students with him to take trimix
classes with him.
>>
>>I have another instructor in a class right now who
knows about Richard,
>>and doesn't
>>care.
>>I brought the subject up before he signed up for
the class and he doesn't
>>care.
>>He has been diving air to 170 ft in the St.
Lawrence River for years.
>>He knows that statically if you dive long enough,
you may become injured
>>or die.
>>They just look at their own track record and have
decided that they are in
>>charge of
>>their destiny.
>>
>>Most of them won't take the time to tell you
people.
>>They read these news groups and can see there is
no discussion going on.
>>
>>They sit there and read what you people write and
can see the mistakes.
>>George's
>>I'm a 60 yr. old, big time cave diver from Detroit
and a TDI Instructor.
>>They can see all of his mistakes.
>>I'm not 60 and I don't look it.
>>If George is from Orlando, I'm from Detroit.
>>Then he and Bill spent two weeks telling everyone
I'm a TDI instructor.
>>They call me and tell me about the latest dumb
thin that you people just
>>said on the
>>net.
>>
>>Bill Bott
>>I certified Richard after he was in the box, after
running off to TN.
>>He then counteracted himself in the next statement
by saying the Richard
>>was certified
>>as a TDI trimix diver in the fall of 97.
>>Richard died in the summer of 98.
>>Bill then screwed up by bring up the Deep Air
plate.
>>If Richard could dive to 260 ft on AIR and died
while diving on Trimix
>>with an END of
>>135 ft.
>>Bill just presented a case for diving on deep air
as being safer.
>>Especially since Richard had more access to
Dramamine on the Gunilda then
>>on the
>>Doria.
>>
>>Then Bill really fell on his face with his body
count of 5 or 6.
>>He was sure of Richard as a TDI trimix diver but
could remember the name
>>of a Lake
>>Wayzee diver.
>>That went over really good since they know that
I'm not a TDI Instructor.
>>
>>Scott McWilliams is another interesting fellow.
>>We have a picture of all of the members who were
at the dinner table in
>>Rossport after
>>the Gunilda dive.
>>Two members are missing.
>>We also have a video of Richard being moved from
the boat to the truck
>>that Charlie
>>drove to Thunder Bay.
>>There are two other dives voices on the tape and
none are slurred from
>>drinking all
>>night as Scott states.
>>There are no towns people in the video, so how did
Richard's moaning wake
>>up half the
>>towns people.
>>His voice in not even on the tape.
>>
>>Al as a lawyer for this group, you must teach them
to keep there story
>>straight.
>>
>>Have a nice night Al
>>
>>I'll check back in a few days
>>
>>greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Al Marvelli wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder whats easier to live with, the
knowledge your instructor got
>> bent, or the
>> > knowledge that your instructor killed a
student.
>> >
>> > Al Marvelli
>> >
>> > gzambeck1 wrote:
>> >
>> > > Tyler Moon - 8 time winner of the I want to
get bent for George award.
>> > > Tell him not boast so much to his students
about George not knowing
>> how far to
>> > > push the tables.  So he get in young guys and
they get bent proving
>> the daily
>> > > guess work of George's deco planning.
>> > >
>> > > Sounds great when you instructor tells you
that he go bent.
>> > > Loaded his gear and drove himself to the
chamber with an O2 reg. in
>> his mouth.
>> > >
>> > > Have a nice day Allen
>> > >
>> > > AlanPelstring@ao*.co* wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > In a message dated 8/8/00 10:42:30 PM,
gzambeck1@me*.ne* writes:
>> > > >
>> > > > >Ok Alan what county was the suit filed in?
>> > > > >I would like to read the complaint and the
judges reason for
>> dismissing
>> > > > >it?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >All I have is your view point, theirs
always two side to the story.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Greg Z.
>> > > >
>> > > > well well well
>> > > > zambo
>> > > >
>> > > > Glad to see you are reading the posts I
send out. Now, it seems to
>> me that
>> > > > you have failed to answer any, even one,
questions that have been
>> put to you.
>> > > >
>> > > > Answer some of my earlier questions and I
will consider yours
>> attempts at
>> > > > changing the subject.
>> > > >
>> > > > your failure to answer the questions leads
me to believe the
>> statements made
>> > > > against you are true. going on this info I
now believe
>> > > >
>> > > > You did cause through ineptitude the death
of one of your students.
>> > > >
>> > > > this is my opinion based on the fact you
have not responded to any
>> of the
>> > > > questions put to you
>> > > >
>> > > > You are quick to try and spread lies,
change the subject, or get
>> someone else
>> > > > in the light. But it is not working, your
considered a stupid lying
>> fool, who
>> > > > allowed a student to die while in training.
>> > > >
>> > > > in addition the the earlier questions, you
know - concerning your
>> students
>> > > > death, I now have a new one - what was the
outcome of the court action
>> > > > against you?
>> > > >
>> > > > now answer the questions puke
>> > > >
>> > > > Alan Pelstring
>> > > > S. Fl.
>
>Bill (aquadart) Bott
>
>

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