Jack, they learn the language along with Tai Chi
breathing from Mouth.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kreska Jack-FJK003 <Jack.Kreska@mo*.co*>
To: 'gzambeck1' <gzambeck1@me*.ne*>; Al Marvelli
<ajmarve@ba*.ne*>; Scott McWilliam
<gunilda@wo*.co*>
Cc: AlanPelstring@ao*.co* <AlanPelstring@ao*.co*>;
cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>;
TECHDIVER@aq*.co* <TECHDIVER@aq*.co*>;
trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>
Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: Scooters


>Can anybody make any sense out of this guy's abuse of
the English language?
>What did he say?
>
>Jack
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gzambeck1 [mailto:gzambeck1@me*.ne*]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:34 AM
>To: Al Marvelli; Scott McWilliam
>Cc: AlanPelstring@ao*.co*; cavers@cavers.com;
TECHDIVER@aq*.co*;
>trey@ne*.co*
>Subject: Re: Scooters
>
>
>Al I found the comments interesting, I can tell how
much frustration that is
>by the
>amount of noise.
>Since your a lawyer, and an ex sergeant.
>I once ask a Nam vet did they ever worry about dying.
>His response was " NO when your dead it's all over,
you worry about living
>with an
>injury ".
>
>So multiple "sports injuries" are acceptable even if
it leads to hip bone
>and joint
>replacement at an early age?
>
>I have one friend who has had this done and, and his
diving became much more
>conservative.
>
>As for my students you haven't followed the other
thread very well.
>Most are instructors or divers diving air to 150 to
220 ft.
>They don't think much of WKPP or George.
>To quote the last one "shit happens I know that
divers die."
>"If you don't want to get hurt, don't get into the
water".
>
>Mike Graczyk who was the store manager of Richard's
store.
>Brought two more students with him to take trimix
classes with him.
>
>I have another instructor in a class right now who
knows about Richard, and
>doesn't
>care.
>I brought the subject up before he signed up for the
class and he doesn't
>care.
>He has been diving air to 170 ft in the St. Lawrence
River for years.
>He knows that statically if you dive long enough, you
may become injured or
>die.
>They just look at their own track record and have
decided that they are in
>charge of
>their destiny.
>
>Most of them won't take the time to tell you people.
>They read these news groups and can see there is no
discussion going on.
>
>They sit there and read what you people write and can
see the mistakes.
>George's
>I'm a 60 yr. old, big time cave diver from Detroit
and a TDI Instructor.
>They can see all of his mistakes.
>I'm not 60 and I don't look it.
>If George is from Orlando, I'm from Detroit.
>Then he and Bill spent two weeks telling everyone I'm
a TDI instructor.
>They call me and tell me about the latest dumb thin
that you people just
>said on the
>net.
>
>Bill Bott
>I certified Richard after he was in the box, after
running off to TN.
>He then counteracted himself in the next statement by
saying the Richard was
>certified
>as a TDI trimix diver in the fall of 97.
>Richard died in the summer of 98.
>Bill then screwed up by bring up the Deep Air plate.
>If Richard could dive to 260 ft on AIR and died while
diving on Trimix with
>an END of
>135 ft.
>Bill just presented a case for diving on deep air as
being safer.
>Especially since Richard had more access to Dramamine
on the Gunilda then on
>the
>Doria.
>
>Then Bill really fell on his face with his body count
of 5 or 6.
>He was sure of Richard as a TDI trimix diver but
could remember the name of
>a Lake
>Wayzee diver.
>That went over really good since they know that I'm
not a TDI Instructor.
>
>Scott McWilliams is another interesting fellow.
>We have a picture of all of the members who were at
the dinner table in
>Rossport after
>the Gunilda dive.
>Two members are missing.
>We also have a video of Richard being moved from the
boat to the truck that
>Charlie
>drove to Thunder Bay.
>There are two other dives voices on the tape and none
are slurred from
>drinking all
>night as Scott states.
>There are no towns people in the video, so how did
Richard's moaning wake up
>half the
>towns people.
>His voice in not even on the tape.
>
>Al as a lawyer for this group, you must teach them to
keep there story
>straight.
>
>Have a nice night Al
>
>I'll check back in a few days
>
>greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Al Marvelli wrote:
>
>> I wonder whats easier to live with, the knowledge
your instructor got
>bent, or the
>> knowledge that your instructor killed a student.
>>
>> Al Marvelli
>>
>> gzambeck1 wrote:
>>
>> > Tyler Moon - 8 time winner of the I want to get
bent for George award.
>> > Tell him not boast so much to his students about
George not knowing how
>far to
>> > push the tables.  So he get in young guys and
they get bent proving the
>daily
>> > guess work of George's deco planning.
>> >
>> > Sounds great when you instructor tells you that
he go bent.
>> > Loaded his gear and drove himself to the chamber
with an O2 reg. in his
>mouth.
>> >
>> > Have a nice day Allen
>> >
>> > AlanPelstring@ao*.co* wrote:
>> >
>> > > In a message dated 8/8/00 10:42:30 PM,
gzambeck1@me*.ne* writes:
>> > >
>> > > >Ok Alan what county was the suit filed in?
>> > > >I would like to read the complaint and the
judges reason for
>dismissing
>> > > >it?
>> > > >
>> > > >All I have is your view point, theirs always
two side to the story.
>> > > >
>> > > >Greg Z.
>> > >
>> > > well well well
>> > > zambo
>> > >
>> > > Glad to see you are reading the posts I send
out. Now, it seems to me
>that
>> > > you have failed to answer any, even one,
questions that have been put
>to you.
>> > >
>> > > Answer some of my earlier questions and I will
consider yours attempts
>at
>> > > changing the subject.
>> > >
>> > > your failure to answer the questions leads me
to believe the
>statements made
>> > > against you are true. going on this info I now
believe
>> > >
>> > > You did cause through ineptitude the death of
one of your students.
>> > >
>> > > this is my opinion based on the fact you have
not responded to any of
>the
>> > > questions put to you
>> > >
>> > > You are quick to try and spread lies, change
the subject, or get
>someone else
>> > > in the light. But it is not working, your
considered a stupid lying
>fool, who
>> > > allowed a student to die while in training.
>> > >
>> > > in addition the the earlier questions, you
know - concerning your
>students
>> > > death, I now have a new one - what was the
outcome of the court action
>> > > against you?
>> > >
>> > > now answer the questions puke
>> > >
>> > > Alan Pelstring
>> > > S. Fl.
>

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