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Art, this kind of thing needs to be stamped out. I think Ken Sallot has a policy about this, I know Carl used to, he would just kick people off for this kind of garbage.. Most likely Mark BUsh has had the shortest subscription to cavers, ever. have a good one. Al Marvelli Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* wrote: > Is this how discussions/arguments are solved? I'm going to tell your boss? > Just like a little kid saying, "I'm going to tell your mommy".... :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* [SMTP:Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO*] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:53 PM > To: diving@mo*.co*; cavers@cavers.com > Subject: RE: One of your users is guilty of fraud, waste and > abuse of Gove rnment property. > > Mark Bush, > This does not rise to the level of fraud, waste or abuse. > > tim mcmahon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:49 AM > > To: webmaster@US*.GO* > > Cc: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* > > Subject: One of your users is guilty of fraud, waste and > abuse of > > Government property. > > > > I received the message below which appears to be sent from a US > Government > > internet address. The sender, Timothy.McMahon, is accessing a > technical > > diving chat room using this government address. If this is not in > line > > with his official duties you should make his direct supervisor and > section > > supervisor aware of this activity. > > > > Mark Bush > > > > >From: Timothy.McMahon@US*.GO* > > >To: diving@mo*.co* > > >Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots" > > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:44:49 -0400 > > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) > > > > > >Your comments below: > > > "If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, > > >prejudiced, bigot > > > on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET > IDIOT > > >concerning > > > public etiquette and good manners. You have no credibility. > You > > >waste > > > bandwidth. You in the diver chat networks and bulletin > boards know > > >who you > > > are. Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great > favor. > > >JOIN US!" > > > > > > are clearly an attack and as such you have shown yourself to > be "AN > > >INTERNET IDIOT". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: diving@mo*.co* [SMTP:diving@mo*.co*] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:31 AM > > >> To: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com > > >> Subject: RE: "SCUBA Fight Club" "Internet Idiots" > > >> > > >> I guess that I'm also a charter member of the SCUBA fight club. > I took > > >> the > > >> YMCA's eight week survival (SCUBA) course in 1973. The > instructor was > > ex > > >> US Navy. There were 16 students who started the course. At 16 > years > > old > > >> I > > >> was the youngest. The oldest student was 24. There was one > female > > >> student > > >> because her boyfriend was Chris, the son of the owner of > Harry's Dive > > >> Shop. > > >> > > >> We did endless swimming and snorkeling laps of the Olympic pool > at the > > >> Metarie, Louisiana YMCA. I guess the conditioning lasted all > of two > > weeks > > >> after the end of the course. > > >> > > >> Yes, the divemasters harrassed us when we were in the water. > This was > > >> thought to be necessary to "weed out those unfit for diving". > It just > > >> weeded out those who couldn't tolerate being harrassed. > > >> > > >> I remember that four of us at a time jumped into the deep end > of the > > pool > > >> and took off all of our gear. We did an unescorted free acsent > to the > > >> surface while a divemaster stirred up our four sets of dive > equipment > > on > > >> the bottom. We had to jump in, go down, sort out our > equipment, and > > put > > >> on > > >> the correct equipment before we could all come up. > > >> > > >> I can see the dive industries insurance companies having a > collective > > >> heart > > >> attack if we proposed these training standards now. > > >> > > >> Of the 16 students only 12 finished the course. For the > dropouts SCUBA > > >> became "too hard" in reality for the dream that they had > nurtured for > > >> years. It was really a shame. In today's diver training > environment > > any > > >> one of these young, fit, previously enthusiastic drop outs > would be an > > >> Instructor's dream student who would breeze through a beginner > SCUBA > > >> course. > > >> > > >> Our two checkout dives were on a scrap of coral reef out of > Destin, > > >> Florida. I think we went twice to 95 feet. > > >> > > >> In my first 10 dives I don't think we didn't dive any shallower > than 65 > > >> feet. I know that 6 of the first 10 dives in open ocean were > to 90+ > > feet, > > >> two were cave dives to 100+ feet and two were nighttime cave > dives > > deeper > > >> than 60 feet. > > >> > > >> We all had a watch, a depth gauge and a copy of the US Navy > tables. > > Some > > >> of us had pressure gauges, some of us had "J" valves. We had > 65 or 72 > > >> cubic feet of air in steel tanks and we didn't have BCDs. We > had "Mae > > >> West" vests for emergency surface floatation. We had a lot of > fun. We > > >> planned our dives and dove the plan. We were divers. > > >> > > >> On the boat after my second dive I saw a guy who had been > diving > > without a > > >> watch, depth gauge or pressure gauge get bent. He had a > painful > > shoulder > > >> joint hit and right arm paralysis after his second dive. He > had a > > diving > > >> license and had been trained but he wasn't a diver. HE WAS AN > IDIOT! > > >> > > >> Today with scientific training methods, fabulous equipment, > computer > > >> assistance, and detailed technical knowledge free for the > asking, WE > > STILL > > >> HAVE IDIOTS! Don't call them divers no matter what their > license says. > > >> > > >> Idiots who dive come from all training environments and all > training > > >> organizations. Idiots even come from all areas of human > endeavor. If > > >> idiots choose to exercise their right to ignore the rules when > diving > > on > > >> their own, you can't blame the training organization that tried > so hard > > to > > >> teach good rules. > > >> > > >> Anyone who has been around the world and kept their eyes opened > sees > > good > > >> people everywhere and bad people everywhere. Good and bad is a > > function > > >> of > > >> the individual's free choice OR the perception of the observer > and not > > >> automatically of any race, religion, nationality, government, > > occupation, > > >> education or diver training organization. > > >> > > >> You seriously damage your own credibility when you PUBLICALLY > attack > > >> another person who dives (even if they are an idiot) and you > render > > your > > >> own credibility null and void when you take on an entire diver > training > > >> organization. > > >> > > >> If you freely advertise your own status as an intolerant, > prejudiced, > > >> bigot > > >> on a medium like the internet you have to be AN INTERNET IDIOT > > concerning > > >> public etiquette and good manners. You have no credibility. > You waste > > >> bandwidth. You in the diver chat networks and bulletin boards > know who > > >> you > > >> are. Do the vast silent majority AND YOURSELVES a great favor. > JOIN > > US! > > >> > > >> > > >
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