This is also the point of DIR that they don't get: ATTITUDE. The attitude to
NOT to dive with idiots or do stupid shit that will get you killed doing it.
Having all the right gear won't fix stupid.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:17 AM
To: Mcinnis, Don; HeliumDiver@ao*.co*; cobber@ma*.ci*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


Don, they lied to the families, so of course they got
offended. Rob Palmer promised his wife prior to going
to the TDI fest in Egypt that he would not participate
in any deep air bullshit, so when he died they all
lied to her and everyone else, trying to say he had a
"heart attack", so when I said he was a "stupid fuck",
well they all got "offended" and cried their crocodile
tears. The fact is he was, by his own definition in
his own book, a "stupid fuck", and I merely reminded
his dead ass of that, and added that the beginning of
his demise in my humble opinion was getting involved
with Gilliam and TDI in the first place. That has been
a terminal mistake for many people, like the late Doug
Missavage ( dead  in TDi "deep air " course, whose
wife sued TDI and won big.

The difference between Missavage and Palmer is a fine
line - Palmer supposedly knew better and got "peer"
pressured into it by what are subhuman pieces of shit
in my opinion, Missavage got FUCKED.

To let any of this go by would be remiss on my part.

"Helium Diver" - you out there , buddy? Care to come
on down and let me kick your ass some more? Had enough
yet, all you TDIi assholes? I can go on and one. Make
my day and keep it up. You all lose again, and I win
again - remmber that. Remmber how badly I have been
kicking your fat slob's ass.


riginal Message-----
From: Mcinnis, Don <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>
To: 'trey@ne*.co*' <trey@ne*.co*>;
HeliumDiver@ao*.co* <HeliumDiver@ao*.co*>;
cobber@ma*.ci*.co*
<cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
Cc: techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>;
cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: OzTek 2000


>And the other point is that to say nothing so as to
not offend the family
>members ONLY SERVES THE PURPOSE OF PROTECTING THOSE
RESPONSIBLE. While it
>may be painful to realize that someone died doing
things "by the book" or
>"by what they were taught", at least they can have
the comfort of knowing
>that this brought about a change so that noone else
will have to go through
>the same thing. It also makes for nice fuel for the
lawsuits when they find
>out that the stupid thing their loved one did was
exactly what they were
>taught. This is the real reason for the excuse of the
"effect on the family
>members" line of reasoning.
>
>Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:47 AM
>To: Mcinnis, Don; HeliumDiver@ao*.co*;
cobber@ma*.ci*.co*
>Cc: techdiver@aq*.co*; cavers@cavers.com
>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>
>
>Don, this liar is full of shit: Gilliam's article
>about me in Deeptek is a perfect exempt of "ad
hominum
>abuse", it is a perfect example of "invective", it is
>a perfect example of lying bullshit and hypocrisy.
>Gilliam tried calling my boss and quoting fake emails
>to him. I had to have my lawyer take care of his fat
>slob lying ass. That is an example of what TDI and
>Gilliam are all about .
>
>Dead divers families? How about the fact that Rob
>Palmer, a person formerly known to revile deep air
>diving and said so in his book, "Blue Holes of the
>Bahamas", was killed deep air diving with the TDI
>morons, including this liar from OZ,  in Egypt? That
>is what I called a "stupid fuck". The definition of a
>stupid fuck is anyone who gets involved with Gilliam
>or TDI , in my opinion.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mcinnis, Don <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>
>To: 'HeliumDiver@ao*.co*' <HeliumDiver@ao*.co*>;
>cobber@ma*.ci*.co*
><cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
>Cc: 'techdiver@aq*.co*'
<techdiver@aq*.co*>;
>'cavers@cavers.com' <cavers@cavers.com>
>Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:53 AM
>Subject: RE: OzTek 2000
>
>
>><SNIP>
>>
>>GI and his crowd routinely make similar statements.
>They're getting old.  I
>>
>>can take the heat and so can most of the people who
>despise him.  This isn't
>>
>>an issue of whether or not I can take ad hominem
>abuse.  It's about
>>business.
>> JJ was uninvited to OzTek at least in part due to
>GI's attitude and JJ's
>>refusal to reprove him.  Associating with someone
who
>routinely spews
>>invective and who, for example, publicly demeans
>those who've died in diving
>>
>>accidents without regard for the families and
friends
>of the dead will
>>always
>>be bad business, and this situation with OzTek,
>however unfair to JJ, is
>>proof of that.
>><SNIP>
>>
>>Death is not polite. In fact it will ruin an
>otherwise perfect day diving.
>>Calling bullshit on the fact that the person who met
>his demise was "trained
>>to get killed" by the inferior equipment he was sold
>and the inferior skills
>>he was taught is the only way to institute any
>changes. Shaking your head
>>and just saying "that's too bad, it couldn't have
>happened to a nicer guy"
>>will mean that IT WILL STILL KEEP HAPPENING TO OTHER
>NICE GUYS. The dive
>>business as usual is what killed them and business
as
>usual will continue to
>>until the industry wakes up and smells the shit.
>Polite or not, that is the
>>reality.
>>
>>Don
>>
>>BTW I have the balls to sign my own name. Too bad
>yours were removed by the
>>industry a long time ago.
>>
>

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