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From: "Badr.Boubker" <Badr.Boubker@fn*.ne*>
To: <cavers@aq*.co*>, <wreckdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: attitude, destroking and strokeland
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:36:09 +0200
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Hello al,
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This is my first email to the list :-)
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1) About "attitude"
I was a stroke (and may be am still one) and then I heard about Hogarth, =
DIR and WKPP, GUE and of course GI and JJ (and all the others).
I read the cavers and wreckers mailing list for a long time before =
sending my today's email (lurking for about 2 years).
Of course I was surprised by the so-called "attitude" of GI.
But remember I was a stroke.=20
Only strokes think that there could be a gray line between DIR =
principles and the DIW bull shit vomited by those fake accounts.
There is no gray line, and without the so-called "attitude" of GI I =
would never have found it.=20
=20
Those fake accounts know that they lost the battle (they already =
backtracked on some of their principles).
What they are now trying to do is make us =
(former-strokes-trying-to-become-DIR-divers) believe that there is this =
gray line and that they represent it.=20
Bull shit.
=20
To all of you who are just looking from the outside at this exchanges of =
emails just ask yourself why a guy like GI (with all his background) =
would be shouting at things YOU think are meaningless?=20
Why?
If you haven't the answer or think that he should smooth his so called =
"attitude", it means that you still think that there is a gray line, and =
you are still a stroke.=20
The so called "attitude" of GI forces you make a choice : you have to =
choose your side either DIR or DIW but not in between.
=20
George and al, I don't know you and think I will never have the =
opportunity to see you one day but I really what to thank you for your =
so called "attitude".
Please keep pointing those so-called "small meaningless" details in the =
gray line.
I don't have your experience to do it myself and your work is very =
valuable (for me at least).
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2) On destrocking
I rigged a DIR harness, and I use it with a single tank of 15 liters (I =
think it is more or less your 100 cu.ft) with a Y valve (no overhead =
diving for the moment).
By the way, I am just re-discovering diving!
My problem is that I cannot reach my valves to shut them down.
What can be the problem (is it the rigging, the position of the tank, =
the fact that there is a single tank adaptor)?
=20
3) Welcome to strokeland
Is there any DIR diver here in France (or maybe here in Paris)?
France is a country full of strokes, you cannot imagine!
Deep air is everywhere...
We do not have a strong DIR community, I think that its due to the =
language barrier.
Too bad, it made me loose so much time and expose me to so much dangers.
Worse, I was an instroketor (CMAS **) teaching all those DIW principles =
(glad that I never killed one of my students).
Of course I stopped teaching the day that I learned about DIR.
I am now waiting to complete my former-stroke-trying-to-become-DIR-diver =
journey to teach again, but DIR principles this time.
Halcyon and Extreme-Exposure are not represented here, I have to order =
my gear via the US and pay huge shipping/custom/VAT taxes.
But I think its still worth the price...
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Thank you for all, and sorry if I took some bandwidth, but I really feel =
better now ;-)
Boubker Badr.


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello al,<BR> <BR>This is my first email
to the =
list=20
:-)<BR> <BR>1) About "attitude"<BR>I was a stroke (and may be am =
still one)=20
and then I heard about Hogarth, DIR and WKPP, GUE and of course GI and =
JJ (and=20
all the others).<BR>I read the cavers and wreckers mailing list for a =
long time=20
before sending my today's email (lurking for about 2 years).<BR>Of =
course I was=20
surprised by the so-called "attitude" of GI.<BR>But remember I was a =
stroke.=20
<BR>Only strokes think that there could be a gray line between DIR =
principles=20
and the DIW bull shit vomited by those fake accounts.<BR>There is no =
gray line,=20
and without the so-called "attitude" of GI I would never have found it.=20
<BR> <BR>Those fake accounts know that they lost the battle (they =
already=20
backtracked on some of their principles).<BR>What they are now trying to =
do is=20
make us (former-strokes-trying-to-become-DIR-divers) believe that there =
is this=20
gray line and that they represent it. <BR>Bull shit.<BR> <BR>To
all =
of you=20
who are just looking from the outside at this exchanges of emails just =
ask=20
yourself why a guy like GI (with all his background) would be shouting =
at things=20
YOU think are meaningless? <BR>Why?<BR>If you haven't the answer or =
think that=20
he should smooth his so called "attitude", it means that you still think =
that=20
there is a gray line, and you are still a stroke. <BR>The so called =
"attitude"=20
of GI forces you make a choice : you have to choose your side either DIR =
or DIW=20
but not in between.<BR> <BR>George and al, I don't know you and =
think I=20
will never have the opportunity to see you one day but I really what to =
thank=20
you for your so called "attitude".<BR>Please keep pointing those =
so-called=20
"small meaningless" details in the gray line.<BR>I don't have your =
experience to=20
do it myself and your work is very valuable (for me at =
least).<BR> <BR>2)=20
On destrocking<BR>I rigged a DIR harness, and I use it with a single =
tank of 15=20
liters (I think it is more or less your 100 cu.ft) with a Y valve (no =
overhead=20
diving for the moment).<BR>By the way, I am just re-discovering =
diving!<BR>My=20
problem is that I cannot reach my valves to shut them down.<BR>What can =
be the=20
problem (is it the rigging, the position of the tank, the fact that =
there is a=20
single tank adaptor)?<BR> <BR>3) Welcome to strokeland<BR>Is
there =
any DIR=20
diver here in France (or maybe here in Paris)?<BR>France is a country =
full of=20
strokes, you cannot imagine!<BR>Deep air is everywhere...<BR>We do not =
have a=20
strong DIR community, I think that its due to the language =
barrier.<BR>Too bad,=20
it made me loose so much time and expose me to so much =
dangers.<BR>Worse, I was=20
an instroketor (CMAS **) teaching all those DIW principles (glad that I =
never=20
killed one of my students).<BR>Of course I stopped teaching the day that =
I=20
learned about DIR.<BR>I am now waiting to complete my=20
former-stroke-trying-to-become-DIR-diver journey to teach again, but DIR =

principles this time.<BR>Halcyon and Extreme-Exposure are not =
represented here,=20
I have to order my gear via the US and pay huge shipping/custom/VAT=20
taxes.<BR>But I think its still worth the price...<BR> <BR>Thank =
you for=20
all, and sorry if I took some bandwidth, but I really feel better =
now=20
;-)<BR>Boubker Badr.</FONT></DIV>
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